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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I like this<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave
Burton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 01, 2013 11:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>My opinion is that with nearly a year’s difference between
Nats/trials and WC it makes no difference if a foreign competitor finishes
ahead of team members. Our guys just need to fly better if a foreign pilot
wins!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It’s always been my opinion that our Nats winner should be on
the team. When we had separate team trials that wasn’t always the case. I would
advocate that the Nats FAI winner get a team slot even if there were a
separate trial. It would make sure our top guys wouldn’t skip the Nats
probably, and reward our National Champion even if the “Top Guys” decided to
skip the Nats.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Dave Burton<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave Lockhart<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 01, 2013 12:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>John,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Just my opinion –<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I believe there needs to be a distinction between US Team Trials
and US NATs. Foreign competitors should not be competing in the US Team
Trials.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I believe there is also a distinction between a country looking
to break into the top 10, versus one that is top ten.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>While I agree that competing with a top pilot is the best way to
see their level and style, for the US (top ten), I don’t think it is a good
thing to have a published result that includes a foreign pilot besting the US
Team….it sets tone and precedence….and could put the US Team in a position of
being an underdog, competing from behind. Granted, if judging at the WC
was based solely on flight performance, this aspect would have little if any
relevance. My suggested format for NATs/Trials does not preclude foreign
competitors, only limits them (from flying unknowns) in Team Trial years.
We (the US) are in the top ten, and in this day and age of internet and video,
we know what top ten flying looks like, and quite honestly, I don’t think it is
inappropriate to suggest we should have the goals of setting the
bar/style. Recruiting a European or Asian judge to judge the NATs; great
idea. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>For a country outside the top ten, it makes all the sense in the
world to import top ten talent (pilots or judges) for exactly the reasons you
state….and many countries have done this, either by importing pilots/judges, or
by travelling to the US NATs or EC. For countries outside the top 10,
there is nothing to be lost, only gained, by mixing it up with top ten talent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Dave L<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John
Gayer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Dave,<br>
Why is it bad if a foreign competitor comes to our Nats and beats one or all of
our team members? We are somewhat isolated over here and do not get to see many
of the top world competitors. It would do the team good to find out where the
bar is and how much improvement is required to excel at the worlds. I believe
the team would consider being beaten at the trials as a challenge to improve
and not a demoralizing influence.<br>
The Australians used to pay airfare for top foreign competitors to come down
under and compete in the Kraft Masters(International meet) for the sole
purpose of finding out where the bar was and what top ten flying looked like.
Rather than exclude foreign influences at the team trials, it would be a much
better plan to invite(pay) a European judge or two to come over to judge the
finals. That would give a good reference for the team to use in preparation. <br>
John<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 2/27/2013 5:47 PM, Dave Lockhart wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Resistance to the combining of the two was for many reasons…many
of which are moot now that the NATs and Team Trials are combined.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’ve said it a million times, and offered the suggestion just as
many times. It absolutely would be bad for a foreign competitor to best a
US Team Member at the US Team Trials. The answer is simple enough,
IMHO. In Team Trial years, the NATs are over after the semifinals (4
rounds of P, 2 rounds of F), and the Team Trials will continue with 2F and 2
Unknown to pick the US Team Members.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Dave</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ronald Van Putte<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>The irony here is that we tried to have a joint Nats/Team
Selection much earlier and there was significant resistance to doing it.
Comments were made that "Foreign competitors can compete in the Nats
and might beat one or more of the USA F3A team members and that would be
bad".<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Ron<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Feb 27, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Jon Lowe wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Correct me if
I'm wrong, but I believe the last separate team selection we had was at Triple
Tree in SC just after the turn of the century. I know of nothing that
prevents us from having a separate team trial, but that would involve yet
another contest to organize, and more cost. Frankly, I personally prefer
having the team trials at the Nats, because we get all of the top FAI fliers to
attend at least once every two years. Given the proximity of this years
Nats to the dates of this years WC, we will likely not see our team members at
the Nats, and they will be missed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Jon</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Ronald Van Putte <<a href="mailto:vanputter@gmail.com">vanputter@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: General pattern discussion <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 5:42 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div id="AOLMsgPart_0_adc71763-91e1-41ee-8cfb-8d59fa57c853"><pre
style='background:white'><tt>I remember being CD of the F3A Team Selection contest back in 1991 at Duke Field </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>(part of Eglin AFB, FL). There were 54 F3A competitors. </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:
white'><tt>It was the last time Rhett Miller competed in an F3A Team Selection. He used an </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>airplane borrowed from Ron Chidgey.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:
white'><tt>Ron</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>On Feb 27, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Dave Burton wrote:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:
white'><tt>> I seem to remember back a lot of years ago the FAI Team Selection stamp fee</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> was $10.00 and lots of guys (myself included) paid it just to be part of</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> helping. At $170.00 I wouldn't pay it. I could be wrong about the amount,</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> and the pool of FAI flyers is much smaller so perhaps there wouldn't be muh</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> money generater if it was significantly lower.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> Dave </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:
white'><tt>> -----Original Message-----</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> From: <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> [<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:26 PM</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> To: General pattern discussion</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:
white'><tt>> Hey Keith,</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> I appreciate the comment actually as I sort of feel the same way. I've made</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> sure that EVERYONE on the team is working actively in the fund raising</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> (Trading effort and labor for money) and at the end, all will very likely</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> still be paying for a portion of their trip. Talking with Jason and</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> Andrew, each WC has cost them $3000-$5000 out of pocket to go, over and</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> above what was donated. We're working hard to reduce that number but it's</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> a reality.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:
white'><tt>> And your correct, no one should expect a free trip. We're just working to</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> help these guys represent us in our chosen hobby as the best we have. </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:
white'><tt>> Support is appreciated.not expected. </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:
white'><tt>> Mark Atwood</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124 </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Direct: 440-229-2502 </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> Fax: 440.684.3102</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> <a href="mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com">mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com</a> | <a
href="http://www.paragon-inc.com/" target="_blank">www.paragon-inc.com</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:
white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:
white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Keith Hoard <<a
href="mailto:klhoard@hotmail.com">klhoard@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:
white'><tt>> What makes you think that us lower class guys care to "support" the FAI</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> team? Some of you make it sound like we owe y'all a free trip.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:
white'><tt>> Keith Hoard</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>> Collierville, TN</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:
white'><tt>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 16:28, "Chuck Hochhalter" <<a
href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</a>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> wrote:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:
white'><tt>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt>>> We could add 5 bucks to every local contest entry and donate that to FAI.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>> Sent from my iPhone</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Archie Stafford <<a
href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> wrote:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Mark,</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Another option is to adjust the entry fee for all classes. Maybe 25.00</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> per and all of that goes to the team. Would be easy enough to do.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Arch</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy ST III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> -------- Original message --------</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> From: "Atwood, Mark" <<a
href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Date:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> To: General pattern discussion <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> As a side to that.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> We need to have a serious discussion about the team selection and our</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> "Official" participation levels. FAI GUYS!!!! We NEED many more of you to</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> sign up for the team selection event (be it part of the Nats or otherwise in</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> 2014) if we're going to continue to get the same level of funding that we</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> get now from the AMA. To do that, I think we need to drastically lower the</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> price tag. The price tag ($170) is reminiscent of holding a separate event</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> and paying for the judges to come for 4 days and judge. That's no longer</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> an expense burden that the selection contest bears.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> The AMA has made "participation" a critical point factor in determining</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> the level of financial support that each team receives. We don't get a lot</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> of money, but they do pay for the World Championship entry fees ($900</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> /pilot, $500 /team manager, $150 /caller ) which is a lot, and they help</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> with some of the hotel bill. It's a fraction of what we need, but it's</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> still a big help. For this year's WC's it's about $7800 of the $60K we'll</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> need. But if we don't increase our participation, we'll lose it.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> This past Nats we had 30+ FAI flyers. but less than 10 participated in</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> the team trial..meaning they paid the entry fee. Admittedly, I was one who</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> did not. I finished 11th, but that's a far cry from top 3, so spending $170</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> "Just to participate" didn't seem like a good value proposition. But if we</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> can lower the cost to say $30, or something reasonable, then I would</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> participate simply to support the team (that's where the entry fee money</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> goes by the way.all of it) especially knowing that it will motivate the AMA</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> to continue their funding.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> I'll hammer this home more next year when it's more relevant, but thought</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> I'd chime in now :)</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Please feel free to return to your regularly scheduled conversation.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Mark Atwood</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Direct: 440-229-2502</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Fax: 440.684.3102</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> <a
href="mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com">mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com</a><<a
href="mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com?">mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com</a>> |</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> <a
href="http://www.paragon-inc.com%3chttp:/www.paragon-inc.com/" target="_blank">www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com/</a>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Budd Engineering</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> <<a href="mailto:jerry@buddengineering.com">jerry@buddengineering.com</a><<a
href="mailto:jerry@buddengineering.com?">mailto:jerry@buddengineering.com</a>>> wrote:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Or a LOT easier because it's gotten so small. It's occurred to some of</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> us over the past several years that you could hold the US Team Trials at a</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> good local field and still have an as good, if not better, team selection</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> contest as we do now.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Incidentally, when I mentioned this to a couple of the AMA people at the</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> show in Ontario last month it was made quite clear that the "powers that be"</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> in AMA have absolutely no interest in allowing the Team Selection contest to</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> ever be held anywhere but at the AMA site in Muncie. Go Figure.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> -0</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Jerry</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Sent from my iPhone</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:59 AM, "Dave Burton"</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> <<a href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</a><<a
href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net?">mailto:burtona@atmc.net</a>>> wrote:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Amen +2</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> As pattern participation continues to shrink the possibility of having</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> the resources to hold the Nats at a different venue gets even more</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> difficult.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Dave</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> From:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> <a href="http://ts.nsrca.org">ts.nsrca.org</a>> [<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> John Fuqua</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:54 AM</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> To: 'General pattern discussion'</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> From:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> <a href="http://ts.nsrca.org">ts.nsrca.org</a>> [<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:43 AM</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> To: General pattern discussion</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> +1</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> ________________________________</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> From: "mike mueller" <<a
href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mups1953@yahoo.com</a><<a
href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com?">mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com</a>>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> To: "Archie Stafford"</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> <<a
href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</a><<a
href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net?">mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>>>, "General</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> pattern discussion"</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:36:31 AM</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> OK I want to play devil's advocate.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> What is all this talk about an off site Nats about?</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Is it that we need to move it around to allow new people to participate?</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> Or is it the changes to the schedule that basically takes away a half day of</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> practice?</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> In my opinion it's not that big of a deal. Moving the Nats off site would</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> be a huge endeavor. Who has the resources, energy and financial where with</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> all to achieve this?</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> I doubt that we could pull it off. Unless a lot of effort was put forth</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> to make it happen.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> I think the AMA has supported us in a decent manner.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Also look at the current BOD of the AMA and you'll see that pattern is</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> well represented with more than our share. We also have Muncie employess who</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> are pattern fliers. We have friends in high places and I think we're doing</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> pretty well.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> I'm luck enough to go to the Muncie facility for 3 contests every year.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> I'm amazed at the support we get from the AMA staff every time we go there.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Things could be a lot worse. Thanks, Mike Mueller</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> --- On Mon, 2/25/13, Archie Stafford</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> <<a
href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</a><<a
href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net?">mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>>> wrote:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> From: Archie Stafford</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> <<a
href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</a><<a
href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net?">mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> To:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Date: Monday, February 25, 2013, 8:44 PM</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> IMAC has been warned. They already lost one day from a few years ago.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Also, years ago I would've agreed. Today though the AMA has a lot more</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> park flyers and sport flyers than any other discipline . Most of my club,</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> with 86 members now flies smaller electrics. Many of the younger kids would</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> rather fly foamies than anything. Pattern, IMAC, and scale don't do anything</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> for them. The younger members are just different. 3D and helis are much more</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> exciting to them. Times have changed.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Arch</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy ST III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> -------- Original message --------</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> From: Ron Hansen <<a
href="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com">rcpilot@wowway.com</a><<a
href="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com?">mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com</a>>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Date:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> To: <a
href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</a>,'General<<a
href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net,">mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net,'General</a>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> pattern discussion'</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> What about IMAC they have less attendance at the NATS than us. With</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> their attendance I'm surprised the AMA will even give them a week. Not that</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> I'm suggesting they don't deserve a week. One of the issues I have with the</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> NATS is that Intermediate and Advanced Pilots and those in MASTERS and FAI</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> that don't make the cut don't get any more flights than a regular weekend</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> contest. Perhaps more would attend if we offered every pilot 12 guaranteed</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> flights. That would make it more likely that the west coasters would make</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> the long trip to Muncie.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> No one gets hooked on RC by watching someone fly a park flyer. You get</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> hooked by watching someone go crazy with a heli or an IMAC plane or the</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> graceful flying of a pattern plane or the speed/wow factor of a jet or the</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> roar of a 4 engine B-17. These are all endeavors that are not associated</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> with the typical AMA member. If the AMA thinks they can survive without</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> these folks then let them try. What these groups need to do is stop</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> supporting the AMA with their articles, photos, etc. They'll have nothing</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> to draw the attention of new members. AMA membership will never be what it</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> used to be because kids now a day are so much busier than they used to be</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> and there are so many more thinks competing for their interest. We need to</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> find a financially viable solution for both the NSRCA and the AMA not to</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> mention all the other SIGS. Without the SIGS there would be no AMA.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> From:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> <a href="http://ts.nsrca.org">ts.nsrca.org</a>> [<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> <a href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</a><<a
href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net?">mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net</a>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:20 PM</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> To: General pattern discussion</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Guys it is too early in the week to talk about good drinks. I got to</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> work tomorrow.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> -----Original Message-----</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> From: Ronald Van Putte</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> <<a href="mailto:vanputter@gmail.com">vanputter@gmail.com</a><<a
href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputter" target="_blank">http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputter</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> @gmail.com>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Sender:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a
href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/" target="_blank">http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> compose?to=<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:57:02</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> To: General pattern</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> discussion<<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a
href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/" target="_blank">http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> mc/compose?to=<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Reply-To: General pattern discussion</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> <<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a
href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose" target="_blank">http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> ?to=<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> For those who weren't there, we had several buses take us from the</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> Tullahoma airport about 12 miles to the Jack Daniels' distillery for the</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> "picnic". On the way back, there was a terrible thunderstorm. When I</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> mentioned the storm to some attendee the next day, they said, "What</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> thunderstorm?"</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> BTW, what did they call that stuff they served? Was it Lynchburg</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> Lemonade? It tasted wonderful and went down so smooth!</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> Ron</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:48 PM, John Fuqua wrote:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>>> At least that part you remember</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>>> -----Original Message-----</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>>> From:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a
href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/" target="_blank">http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> compose?to=<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> [<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org%3Chttp://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo</a></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> .com/mc/compose?to=<a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>>] On Behalf Of</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> Ronald Van</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>>> Putte</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:47 PM</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>>> To: General pattern discussion</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>>> The bus ride back from the Jack Daniel's distillery was memorable!</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>>> Ron</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>>>> Scott, I think Ron is correct on this one (biting my tongue as I voice</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>>> that!) Back then the NSRCA had no input what so ever. Obviously</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> enough</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>>> was wrong with the way the AMA ran the event to create a complete</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>> boycott of</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>>> the nationals in lieu of the NPAC.</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>>>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>>>> Peter, has the nats every</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
style='background:white'><tt>>>> _______________________________________________</tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre
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style='background:white'><tt>>>> <a
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style='background:white'><tt>> </tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:
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