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<div>It just so happens that this years WC is in a place expensive to get to, and we are sending four team members, not just three. They are representing our country in the Olympics of our sport. Hopefully most participants in our sport recognize that and will offer to help out.</div>
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From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com><br>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 5:26 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates<br>
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<pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt>Hey Keith,
I appreciate the comment actually as I sort of feel the same way. I've made
sure that EVERYONE on the team is working actively in the fund raising (Trading
effort and labor for money) and at the end, all will very likely still be paying
for a portion of their trip. Talking with Jason and Andrew, each WC has cost
them $3000-$5000 out of pocket to go, over and above what was donated. We're
working hard to reduce that number but it's a reality.
And your correct, no one should expect a free trip. We're just working to help
these guys represent us in our chosen hobby as the best we have.
Support is appreciated…not expected.
Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President
5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Direct: 440-229-2502
Fax: 440.684.3102
<a href="mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com">mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com</a> | <a href="http://www.paragon-inc.com" target="_blank">www.paragon-inc.com</a>
On Feb 27, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Keith Hoard <<a href="mailto:klhoard@hotmail.com">klhoard@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:
What makes you think that us lower class guys care to "support" the FAI team?
Some of you make it sound like we owe y'all a free trip.
Keith Hoard
Collierville, TN
On Feb 27, 2013, at 16:28, "Chuck Hochhalter" <<a href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:
>
> We could add 5 bucks to every local contest entry and donate that to FAI.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Archie Stafford <<a href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>>
wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> Another option is to adjust the entry fee for all classes. Maybe 25.00 per
and all of that goes to the team. Would be easy enough to do.
>>
>> Arch
>>
>>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: "Atwood, Mark" <<a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>>
>> Date:
>> To: General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates
>>
>>
>> As a side to that…
>>
>> We need to have a serious discussion about the team selection and our
"Official" participation levels. FAI GUYS!!!! We NEED many more of you to sign
up for the team selection event (be it part of the Nats or otherwise in 2014) if
we're going to continue to get the same level of funding that we get now from
the AMA. To do that, I think we need to drastically lower the price tag. The
price tag ($170) is reminiscent of holding a separate event and paying for the
judges to come for 4 days and judge. That's no longer an expense burden that
the selection contest bears.
>>
>> The AMA has made "participation" a critical point factor in determining the
level of financial support that each team receives. We don't get a lot of
money, but they do pay for the World Championship entry fees ($900 /pilot, $500
/team manager, $150 /caller ) which is a lot, and they help with some of the
hotel bill. It's a fraction of what we need, but it's still a big help. For
this year's WC's it's about $7800 of the $60K we'll need. But if we don't
increase our participation, we'll lose it.
>>
>> This past Nats we had 30+ FAI flyers… but less than 10 participated in the
team trial….meaning they paid the entry fee. Admittedly, I was one who did not.
I finished 11th, but that's a far cry from top 3, so spending $170 "Just to
participate" didn't seem like a good value proposition. But if we can lower the
cost to say $30, or something reasonable, then I would participate simply to
support the team (that's where the entry fee money goes by the way…all of it)
especially knowing that it will motivate the AMA to continue their funding.
>>
>> I'll hammer this home more next year when it's more relevant, but thought I'd
chime in now :)
>>
>> Please feel free to return to your regularly scheduled conversation.
>>
>>
>> Mark Atwood
>> Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President
>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Direct: 440-229-2502
>> Fax: 440.684.3102
>> <a href="mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com">mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com</a><<a href="mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com?">mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com</a>> |
<a href="http://www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com/" target="_blank">www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com/</a>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Budd Engineering <<a href="mailto:jerry@buddengineering.com">jerry@buddengineering.com</a><<a href="mailto:jerry@buddengineering.com?">mailto:jerry@buddengineering.com</a>>>
wrote:
>>
>> Or a LOT easier because it's gotten so small. It's occurred to some of us
over the past several years that you could hold the US Team Trials at a good
local field and still have an as good, if not better, team selection contest as
we do now.
>>
>> Incidentally, when I mentioned this to a couple of the AMA people at the show
in Ontario last month it was made quite clear that the "powers that be" in AMA
have absolutely no interest in allowing the Team Selection contest to ever be
held anywhere but at the AMA site in Muncie. Go Figure.
>>
>> -0
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:59 AM, "Dave Burton" <<a href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</a><<a href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net?">mailto:burtona@atmc.net</a>>>
wrote:
>>
>> Amen +2
>>
>> As pattern participation continues to shrink the possibility of having the
resources to hold the Nats at a different venue gets even more difficult.
>> Dave
>>
>> From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of John Fuqua
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:54 AM
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>>
>> AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of Vicente "Vince"
Bortone
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:43 AM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>>
>> +1
>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "mike mueller" <<a href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mups1953@yahoo.com</a><<a href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com?">mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com</a>>>
>> To: "Archie Stafford" <<a href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</a><<a href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net?">mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>>>,
"General pattern discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:36:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>> OK I want to play devil's advocate.
>> What is all this talk about an off site Nats about?
>> Is it that we need to move it around to allow new people to participate? Or
is it the changes to the schedule that basically takes away a half day of
practice?
>> In my opinion it's not that big of a deal. Moving the Nats off site would be
a huge endeavor. Who has the resources, energy and financial where with all to
achieve this?
>> I doubt that we could pull it off. Unless a lot of effort was put forth to
make it happen.
>> I think the AMA has supported us in a decent manner.
>> Also look at the current BOD of the AMA and you'll see that pattern is well
represented with more than our share. We also have Muncie employess who are
pattern fliers. We have friends in high places and I think we're doing pretty
well.
>> I'm luck enough to go to the Muncie facility for 3 contests every year. I'm
amazed at the support we get from the AMA staff every time we go there.
>> Things could be a lot worse. Thanks, Mike Mueller
>>
>> --- On Mon, 2/25/13, Archie Stafford <<a href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</a><<a href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net?">mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>>>
wrote:
>>
>> From: Archie Stafford <<a href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</a><<a href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net?">mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>> To: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
>> Date: Monday, February 25, 2013, 8:44 PM
>> IMAC has been warned. They already lost one day from a few years ago.
>>
>> Also, years ago I would've agreed. Today though the AMA has a lot more park
flyers and sport flyers than any other discipline . Most of my club, with 86
members now flies smaller electrics. Many of the younger kids would rather fly
foamies than anything. Pattern, IMAC, and scale don't do anything for them. The
younger members are just different. 3D and helis are much more exciting to them.
Times have changed.
>>
>> Arch
>>
>>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Ron Hansen <<a href="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com">rcpilot@wowway.com</a><<a href="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com?">mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com</a>>>
>> Date:
>> To: <a href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</a>,'General<<a href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net," General??="">mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net,'General</a>>
pattern discussion' <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>>
>> What about IMAC they have less attendance at the NATS than us. With their
attendance I’m surprised the AMA will even give them a week. Not that I’m
suggesting they don’t deserve a week. One of the issues I have with the NATS is
that Intermediate and Advanced Pilots and those in MASTERS and FAI that don’t
make the cut don’t get any more flights than a regular weekend contest. Perhaps
more would attend if we offered every pilot 12 guaranteed flights. That would
make it more likely that the west coasters would make the long trip to Muncie.
>>
>>
>>
>> No one gets hooked on RC by watching someone fly a park flyer. You get
hooked by watching someone go crazy with a heli or an IMAC plane or the graceful
flying of a pattern plane or the speed/wow factor of a jet or the roar of a 4
engine B-17. These are all endeavors that are not associated with the typical
AMA member. If the AMA thinks they can survive without these folks then let
them try. What these groups need to do is stop supporting the AMA with their
articles, photos, etc. They’ll have nothing to draw the attention of new
members. AMA membership will never be what it used to be because kids now a day
are so much busier than they used to be and there are so many more thinks
competing for their interest. We need to find a financially viable solution for
both the NSRCA and the AMA not to mention all the other SIGS. Without the SIGS
there would be no AMA.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of
<a href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</a><<a href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net?">mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net</a>>
>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:20 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>>
>>
>>
>> Guys it is too early in the week to talk about good drinks. I got to work
tomorrow.
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ronald Van Putte <<a href="mailto:vanputter@gmail.com">vanputter@gmail.com</a><<a href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputter@gmail.com" target="_blank">http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputter@gmail.com</a>>>
>> Sender: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:57:02
>> To: General pattern discussion<<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>>
>> Reply-To: General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>>
>> For those who weren't there, we had several buses take us from the Tullahoma
airport about 12 miles to the Jack Daniels' distillery for the "picnic". On the
way back, there was a terrible thunderstorm. When I mentioned the storm to some
attendee the next day, they said, "What thunderstorm?"
>>
>> BTW, what did they call that stuff they served? Was it Lynchburg Lemonade?
It tasted wonderful and went down so smooth!
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:48 PM, John Fuqua wrote:
>>
>>> At least that part you remember
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
>>> [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>>]
On Behalf Of Ronald Van
>>> Putte
>>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:47 PM
>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>>>
>>> The bus ride back from the Jack Daniel's distillery was memorable!
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>>>
>>>> Scott, I think Ron is correct on this one (biting my tongue as I voice
>>> that!) Back then the NSRCA had no input what so ever. Obviously enough
>>> was wrong with the way the AMA ran the event to create a complete boycott of
>>> the nationals in lieu of the NPAC.
>>>>
>>>> Peter, has the nats every
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