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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mups1953@yahoo.com
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<TD vAlign=top>We need a "Sugar Daddy". <BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 2/27/13,
Atwood, Mark <I><atwoodm@paragon-inc.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From:
Atwood, Mark <atwoodm@paragon-inc.com><BR>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates<BR>To: "General
pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date:
Wednesday, February 27, 2013, 7:48 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>Ok, I didn't mean cause a stir but since there's
interest in the subject I'm going to take the podium for a moment since
I'm in the thick of things as this years Team manager.<BR><BR>First of
all… THANK YOU to virtually everyone in our sport because the support we
DO get is fantastic.<BR><BR>Some thoughts:<BR><BR>1) I'd like to help
the NSRCA form an ongoing team fund raising committee.
My biggest problem in taking on this role was the feeling that I'm
starting from scratch. Rather than have 2 years of planning and
fund raising, with established mechanisms for doing so, we start with
virtually nothing. I have a LOT of thoughts about this, but too
many to go on about here. I'm happy to be a founding member of
that committee, but would welcome volunteers to help and work on things
in the off year when no team manager exists (the TM is chosen by
the team AFTER the selection contest.)<BR><BR>2) I've suggested to the
NSRCA to add a check box on dues renewal for contributing a donation to
the team. I think this is an easy ask and no pressure<BR><BR>3)
The AMA spends more money on the FAI program than you can possible
imagine. Our dues to FAI alone are in the hundreds of thousands
just to belong. It's nuts. The AMA is more pro competition
than their actions would lead you to believe, but at the end of the day,
they have bills to pay and have to cater to the masses.<BR><BR>4) A
combined Nats / Team selection I personally think is great and has been
well executed of late. Cost is virtually zero (so ALL of the entry
fees support the team rather than pay for the event) and we see a nice
turnout from the best in the world as a result. Per my
original post, we just need to make the FAI gang aware that formally
participating (i.e. paying the entry fee) is critical to our funding
from the AMA. Lowering the team trial fee would go a LONG way
toward making that happen, along with some publicity to make everyone
aware of the problem.<BR><BR>5) Contest fund raising. I'd love to
start a tradition of holding a 50/50 raffle at contests with the
proceeds going to the team fund. Each event wouldn't raise a ton,
but even $50 across 50 Contests over 2 years would be a $5000 boost and
help a ton.<BR><BR>6) Better verbal and purchasing support of those that
do sponsor us. It's great to put their logo's on the web site (
www.teamUSAF3A.com<<A href="http://www.teamusaf3a.com/"
target=_blank>http://www.teamUSAF3A.com</A>>) but if we don't make it
clear that we collectively appreciate their support…well, it will
stop. Obviously it's important that we buy from them, but EQUALLY
important is simply thanking them! If you see these groups at
trade shows (Toledo, Ontario, Ramm, etc) make a comment that you
appreciate the support of our niche. It goes a long
way.<BR><BR>Last thing I want to share is our budget for this
year. I get a lot of comments questioning the amount we're trying
to raise…it's not a secret, so let me lay it out.<BR><BR>The team
consists of 10 people (4 pilots, 4 callers, a Team Mascot ..er manager,
and asst). We'll be in SA for 18 days in total, so that's
180/person/days food and lodging.<BR><BR>Airfare Total -
$22,100 (We're still working on reducing this, but it won't change
much)<BR>Lodging est $60/person-day * 180 $10,800<BR>Food
est $35/Person-day * 180 $6,300<BR>Transport per plane $400 * 8
$3,200<BR>In country Transportation $8,400 (This is NUTS, but
accurate. Vehicles to carry 10 people with 8 planes are
expensive)<BR>Entry Fees:<BR>4 Pilots @ $788 $3,152<BR>4 Callers @ $131
$ 524<BR>1 Team Manager @ $459 $ 459<BR>1 Assist @ $131
$ 131<BR>Team Apparel $100 * 10 $1000 (Nice to
have)<BR>"Surprise" budget $3000<BR><BR>Total $59,066<BR><BR>The
surprise budget is on the advice of previous team managers for on site
issues. As it is I'm scrambling to find locals in SA to help
us with generators, chairs, and other items we can't reasonably take
with us.<BR><BR>As you can see, when you multiply everything out…it's
pricey. And while SA is one of the pricier trips, anywhere in
Europe or really the world wouldn't be a lot cheaper.<BR><BR>Mark
Atwood<BR>Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President<BR>5885
Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124<BR>Phone:
440.684.3101 x102 | Direct: 440-229-2502<BR>Fax:
440.684.3102<BR><A
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ymailto="mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com">mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com</A><mailto:<A
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ymailto="mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com">mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com</A>>
| www.paragon-inc.com<<A href="http://www.paragon-inc.com/"
target=_blank>http://www.paragon-inc.com/</A>><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On
Feb 27, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Dave Lockhart <<A
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ymailto="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</A><mailto:<A
href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=DaveL322@comcast.net"
ymailto="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</A>>>
wrote:<BR><BR>Correct. 13 entrants….kinda hard to pay for a stand
alone event with 13 entrants.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Dave<BR><BR>From:
<A
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On Behalf Of Jon Lowe<BR>Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:12
PM<BR>To: <A
href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><mailto:<A
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ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS
dates<BR><BR>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the last separate
team selection we had was at Triple Tree in SC just after the turn of
the century. I know of nothing that prevents us from having a
separate team trial, but that would involve yet another contest to
organize, and more cost. Frankly, I personally prefer having the
team trials at the Nats, because we get all of the top FAI fliers to
attend at least once every two years. Given the proximity of this
years Nats to the dates of this years WC, we will likely not see our
team members at the Nats, and they will be
missed.<BR>Jon<BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Ronald Van Putte
<<A
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href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputter@gmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:vanputter@gmail.com">vanputter@gmail.com</A>>><BR>To:
General pattern discussion <<A
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ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><mailto:<A
href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>>><BR>Sent:
Wed, Feb 27, 2013 5:42 pm<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team
Selection - was 2013 NATS dates<BR><BR>I remember being CD of the F3A
Team Selection contest back in 1991 at Duke Field<BR><BR>(part of Eglin
AFB, FL). There were 54 F3A competitors.<BR><BR><BR><BR>It was the
last time Rhett Miller competed in an F3A Team Selection. He used
an<BR><BR>airplane borrowed from Ron
Chidgey.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Ron<BR><BR><BR><BR>On Feb 27, 2013, at 5:34 PM,
Dave Burton wrote:<BR><BR><BR><BR>> I seem to remember back a lot of
years ago the FAI Team Selection stamp fee<BR><BR>> was $10.00 and
lots of guys (myself included) paid it just to be part of<BR><BR>>
helping. At $170.00 I wouldn't pay it. I could be wrong about the
amount,<BR><BR>> and the pool of FAI flyers is much smaller so
perhaps there wouldn't be muh<BR><BR>> money generater if it was
significantly lower.<BR><BR>> Dave<BR><BR>><BR><BR>>
-----Original Message-----<BR><BR>> From: <A
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On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark<BR><BR>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013
6:26 PM<BR><BR>> To: General pattern discussion<BR><BR>> Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS
dates<BR><BR>><BR><BR>> Hey Keith,<BR><BR>><BR><BR>> I
appreciate the comment actually as I sort of feel the same way.
I've made<BR><BR>> sure that EVERYONE on the team is working actively
in the fund raising<BR><BR>> (Trading effort and labor for money) and
at the end, all will very likely<BR><BR>> still be paying for a
portion of their trip. Talking with Jason and<BR><BR>>
Andrew, each WC has cost them $3000-$5000 out of pocket to go, over
and<BR><BR>> above what was donated. We're working
hard to reduce that number but it's<BR><BR>> a
reality.<BR><BR>><BR><BR>> And your correct, no one should expect
a free trip. We're just working to<BR><BR>> help these guys
represent us in our chosen hobby as the best we
have.<BR><BR>><BR><BR>> Support is appreciated.not
expected.<BR><BR>><BR><BR>> Mark Atwood<BR><BR>> Paragon
Consulting, Inc. | President<BR><BR>> 5885 Landerbrook
Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124<BR><BR>> Phone: 440.684.3101
x102 | Direct: 440-229-2502<BR><BR>> Fax:
440.684.3102<BR><BR>> <A
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ymailto="mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com">mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com</A><mailto:<A
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ymailto="mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com">mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com</A>>
| www.paragon-inc.com<<A href="http://www.paragon-inc.com/"
target=_blank>http://www.paragon-inc.com</A>><BR><BR>><BR><BR>><BR><BR>><BR><BR>><BR><BR>><BR><BR>>
On Feb 27, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Keith Hoard <<A
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ymailto="mailto:klhoard@hotmail.com">klhoard@hotmail.com</A><mailto:<A
href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=klhoard@hotmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:klhoard@hotmail.com">klhoard@hotmail.com</A>>>
wrote:<BR><BR>><BR><BR>> What makes you think that us lower class
guys care to "support" the FAI<BR><BR>> team? Some of you make
it sound like we owe y'all a free trip.<BR><BR>><BR><BR>> Keith
Hoard<BR><BR>> Collierville, TN<BR><BR>><BR><BR>> On Feb 27,
2013, at 16:28, "Chuck Hochhalter" <<A
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ymailto="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</A><mailto:<A
href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cahochhalter@yahoo.com"
ymailto="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</A>>><BR><BR>>
wrote:<BR><BR>><BR><BR>>><BR><BR>>> We could add 5 bucks
to every local contest entry and donate that to
FAI.<BR><BR>>><BR><BR>>><BR><BR>>> Sent from my
iPhone<BR><BR>>><BR><BR>>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:25 PM,
Archie Stafford <<A
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ymailto="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</A>>><BR><BR>>
wrote:<BR><BR>>><BR><BR>>>>
Mark,<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> Another option is to
adjust the entry fee for all classes. Maybe 25.00<BR><BR>> per and
all of that goes to the team. Would be easy enough to
do.<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>>
Arch<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> Sent
via the Samsung Galaxy ST III, an AT&T 4G LTE
smartphone<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>>
-------- Original message --------<BR><BR>>>> From: "Atwood,
Mark" <<A
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Date:<BR><BR>>>> To: General pattern discussion <<A
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ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><mailto:<A
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ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>>><BR><BR>>>>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS
dates<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> As a
side to that.<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> We need to have a
serious discussion about the team selection and our<BR><BR>>
"Official" participation levels. FAI GUYS!!!! We NEED many
more of you to<BR><BR>> sign up for the team selection event (be it
part of the Nats or otherwise in<BR><BR>> 2014) if we're going to
continue to get the same level of funding that we<BR><BR>> get now
from the AMA. To do that, I think we need to drastically
lower the<BR><BR>> price tag. The price tag ($170) is
reminiscent of holding a separate event<BR><BR>> and paying for the
judges to come for 4 days and judge. That's no
longer<BR><BR>> an expense burden that the selection contest
bears.<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> The AMA has made
"participation" a critical point factor in determining<BR><BR>> the
level of financial support that each team receives. We don't
get a lot<BR><BR>> of money, but they do pay for the World
Championship entry fees ($900<BR><BR>> /pilot, $500 /team manager,
$150 /caller ) which is a lot, and they help<BR><BR>> with some of
the hotel bill. It's a fraction of what we need, but
it's<BR><BR>> still a big help. For this year's WC's it's about
$7800 of the $60K we'll<BR><BR>> need. But if we don't increase
our participation, we'll lose
it.<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> This past Nats we had 30+
FAI flyers. but less than 10 participated in<BR><BR>> the team
trial..meaning they paid the entry fee. Admittedly, I was one
who<BR><BR>> did not. I finished 11th, but that's a far cry
from top 3, so spending $170<BR><BR>> "Just to participate" didn't
seem like a good value proposition. But if we<BR><BR>> can
lower the cost to say $30, or something reasonable, then I
would<BR><BR>> participate simply to support the team (that's where
the entry fee money<BR><BR>> goes by the way.all of it) especially
knowing that it will motivate the AMA<BR><BR>> to continue their
funding.<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> I'll hammer this home
more next year when it's more relevant, but thought<BR><BR>> I'd
chime in now :)<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> Please feel free
to return to your regularly scheduled
conversation.<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>>
Mark Atwood<BR><BR>>>> Paragon Consulting, Inc. |
President<BR><BR>>>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130,
Cleveland Ohio, 44124<BR><BR>>>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102
| Direct: 440-229-2502<BR><BR>>>> Fax:
440.684.3102<BR><BR>>>> <A
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ymailto="mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com">mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com</A>?>>
|<BR><BR>> www.paragon-inc.com<<A
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On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Budd Engineering<BR><BR>> <<A
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wrote:<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> Or a LOT easier because
it's gotten so small. It's occurred to some of<BR><BR>> us over
the past several years that you could hold the US Team Trials at
a<BR><BR>> good local field and still have an as good, if not better,
team selection<BR><BR>> contest as we do
now.<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> Incidentally, when I
mentioned this to a couple of the AMA people at the<BR><BR>> show in
Ontario last month it was made quite clear that the "powers that
be"<BR><BR>> in AMA have absolutely no interest in allowing the Team
Selection contest to<BR><BR>> ever be held anywhere but at the AMA
site in Muncie. Go Figure.<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>>
-0<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>>
Jerry<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> Sent from my
iPhone<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:59
AM, "Dave Burton"<BR><BR>> <<A
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ymailto="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</A><mailto:<A
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ymailto="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</A>?>>>
wrote:<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> Amen
+2<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> As pattern participation
continues to shrink the possibility of having<BR><BR>> the resources
to hold the Nats at a different venue gets even more<BR><BR>>
difficult.<BR><BR>>>>
Dave<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> From:<BR><BR>> <A
href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
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On Behalf Of<BR><BR>> John Fuqua<BR><BR>>>> Sent: Wednesday,
February 27, 2013 10:54 AM<BR><BR>>>> To: 'General pattern
discussion'<BR><BR>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013
NATS dates<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> AMEN
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>>
From:<BR><BR>> <A
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On Behalf Of<BR><BR>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone<BR><BR>>>>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:43 AM<BR><BR>>>> To:
General pattern discussion<BR><BR>>>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS
dates<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> +1<BR><BR>>>>
Vicente "Vince" Bortone<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>>
________________________________<BR><BR>>>> From: "mike
mueller" <<A
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ymailto="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mups1953@yahoo.com</A>?>>><BR><BR>>>>
To: "Archie Stafford"<BR><BR>> <<A
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ymailto="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</A>?>>>,
"General<BR><BR>> pattern discussion"<BR><BR>> <<A
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ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><mailto:<A
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ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>?>>><BR><BR>>>>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:36:31 AM<BR><BR>>>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<BR><BR>>>> OK I
want to play devil's advocate.<BR><BR>>>> What is all this talk
about an off site Nats about?<BR><BR>>>> Is it that we need to
move it around to allow new people to participate?<BR><BR>> Or is it
the changes to the schedule that basically takes away a half day
of<BR><BR>> practice?<BR><BR>>>> In my opinion it's not that
big of a deal. Moving the Nats off site would<BR><BR>> be a huge
endeavor. Who has the resources, energy and financial where
with<BR><BR>> all to achieve this?<BR><BR>>>> I doubt that
we could pull it off. Unless a lot of effort was put forth<BR><BR>>
to make it happen.<BR><BR>>>> I think the AMA has supported us
in a decent manner.<BR><BR>>>> Also look at the current BOD of
the AMA and you'll see that pattern is<BR><BR>> well represented with
more than our share. We also have Muncie employess who<BR><BR>> are
pattern fliers. We have friends in high places and I think we're
doing<BR><BR>> pretty well.<BR><BR>>>> I'm luck enough to go
to the Muncie facility for 3 contests every year.<BR><BR>> I'm amazed
at the support we get from the AMA staff every time we go
there.<BR><BR>>>> Things could be a lot worse. Thanks, Mike
Mueller<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> --- On Mon, 2/25/13,
Archie Stafford<BR><BR>> <<A
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wrote:<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> From: Archie
Stafford<BR><BR>> <<A
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ymailto="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</A>?>>><BR><BR>>>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<BR><BR>>>>
To:<BR><BR>> <A
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ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><mailto:<A
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ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>?>><BR><BR>>>>
Date: Monday, February 25, 2013, 8:44 PM<BR><BR>>>> IMAC has
been warned. They already lost one day from a few years
ago.<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> Also, years ago I would've
agreed. Today though the AMA has a lot more<BR><BR>> park flyers and
sport flyers than any other discipline . Most of my club,<BR><BR>>
with 86 members now flies smaller electrics. Many of the younger kids
would<BR><BR>> rather fly foamies than anything. Pattern, IMAC, and
scale don't do anything<BR><BR>> for them. The younger members are
just different. 3D and helis are much more<BR><BR>> exciting to them.
Times have changed.<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>>
Arch<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> Sent
via the Samsung Galaxy ST III, an AT&T 4G LTE
smartphone<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>>
-------- Original message --------<BR><BR>>>> From: Ron Hansen
<<A
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Date:<BR><BR>>>> To: <A
href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vicenterc@comcast.net"
ymailto="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</A><mailto:<A
href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vicenterc@comcast.net"
ymailto="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</A>>,'General<mailto:<A
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ymailto="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</A>,'General<mailto:<A
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ymailto="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</A>,>><BR><BR>>
pattern discussion'<BR><BR>> <<A
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ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><mailto:<A
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ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>?>>><BR><BR>>>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS
dates<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> What about IMAC they have
less attendance at the NATS than us. With<BR><BR>> their
attendance I'm surprised the AMA will even give them a week. Not
that<BR><BR>> I'm suggesting they don't deserve a week. One of
the issues I have with the<BR><BR>> NATS is that Intermediate and
Advanced Pilots and those in MASTERS and FAI<BR><BR>> that don't make
the cut don't get any more flights than a regular weekend<BR><BR>>
contest. Perhaps more would attend if we offered every pilot 12
guaranteed<BR><BR>> flights. That would make it more likely
that the west coasters would make<BR><BR>> the long trip to
Muncie.<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>>
No one gets hooked on RC by watching someone fly a park flyer. You
get<BR><BR>> hooked by watching someone go crazy with a heli or an
IMAC plane or the<BR><BR>> graceful flying of a pattern plane or the
speed/wow factor of a jet or the<BR><BR>> roar of a 4 engine
B-17. These are all endeavors that are not associated<BR><BR>>
with the typical AMA member. If the AMA thinks they can survive
without<BR><BR>> these folks then let them try. What these
groups need to do is stop<BR><BR>> supporting the AMA with their
articles, photos, etc. They'll have nothing<BR><BR>> to draw
the attention of new members. AMA membership will never be what
it<BR><BR>> used to be because kids now a day are so much busier than
they used to be<BR><BR>> and there are so many more thinks competing
for their interest. We need to<BR><BR>> find a financially
viable solution for both the NSRCA and the AMA not to<BR><BR>>
mention all the other SIGS. Without the SIGS there would be no
AMA.<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>>
From:<BR><BR>> <A
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On Behalf Of<BR><BR>> <A
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ymailto="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</A><mailto:<A
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ymailto="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</A>?>><BR><BR>>>>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:20 PM<BR><BR>>>> To: General
pattern discussion<BR><BR>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
2013 NATS
dates<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>>
Guys it is too early in the week to talk about good drinks. I got
to<BR><BR>> work tomorrow.<BR><BR>>>> Sent via BlackBerry by
AT&T<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> -----Original
Message-----<BR><BR>>>> From: Ronald Van Putte<BR><BR>>
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:57:02<BR><BR>>>> To: General
pattern<BR><BR>> discussion<<A
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS
dates<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> For those who weren't
there, we had several buses take us from the<BR><BR>> Tullahoma
airport about 12 miles to the Jack Daniels' distillery for
the<BR><BR>> "picnic". On the way back, there was a terrible
thunderstorm. When I<BR><BR>> mentioned the storm to some
attendee the next day, they said, "What<BR><BR>>
thunderstorm?"<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> BTW, what did
they call that stuff they served? Was it Lynchburg<BR><BR>>
Lemonade? It tasted wonderful and went down so
smooth!<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>>
Ron<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:48 PM,
John Fuqua wrote:<BR><BR>>>><BR><BR>>>>> At least
that part you remember<BR><BR>>>>><BR><BR>>>>>
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On Behalf Of<BR><BR>> Ronald Van<BR><BR>>>>>
Putte<BR><BR>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:47
PM<BR><BR>>>>> To: General pattern
discussion<BR><BR>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013
NATS dates<BR><BR>>>>><BR><BR>>>>> The bus ride
back from the Jack Daniel's distillery was
memorable!<BR><BR>>>>><BR><BR>>>>>
Ron<BR><BR>>>>><BR><BR>>>>> On Feb 25, 2013, at
4:12 PM, Atwood, Mark
wrote:<BR><BR>>>>><BR><BR>>>>>> Scott,
I think Ron is correct on this one (biting my tongue as I
voice<BR><BR>>>>> that!) Back then the NSRCA had
no input what so ever. Obviously<BR><BR>>
enough<BR><BR>>>>> was wrong with the way the AMA ran the
event to create a complete<BR><BR>> boycott
of<BR><BR>>>>> the nationals in lieu of the
NPAC.<BR><BR>>>>>><BR><BR>>>>>> Peter, has
the nats every<BR><BR>>>>
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