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<DIV>Well, its obvious that the “voluntary” contributions weren’t cutting it so
some are beginning to suggest mandatory “fees” of some sort or another on
everyone. I’m sorry that its going to cost $60K to send the crew 1/2 way
around the planet for a pattern competition, but they knew that when they signed
up for the Team Trials.</DIV>
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<DIV>Whoever thought to put the Worlds in South Africa needs to have their head
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<DIV>Was McMurdoh Station in the Antarctic booked that week?</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=billpritch@yahoo.com
href="mailto:billpritch@yahoo.com">Bill Pritchett</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 27, 2013 5:48 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] Team financial support</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>There are many ways to do this in a voluntary manner, and yet remain
in the spirit intended. Virtually all activities are completely supported
from the bottom up - you can even choose to donate $1 on your Fed
taxes!</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>Knowing the people involved here, and many of them very well, it's
not about anyone expecting something for nothing. If there is an
expectation, it's that we have something very special and it takes a lot of
effort from many to make it work. Nothing is being demanded, but by
sharing the information that Mark has given us on out of pocket expenses for
these guys, it would be my hope that lots of participants, fans, and supporters
would step up and help out to whatever extent is comfortable.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>Bill</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv945240476gmail_quote>On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Keith Hoard
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wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>So you feel the need to impose a tax on the lower classes so three guys
can travel the world to a pattern contest. <BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
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<DIV><BR>On Feb 27, 2013, at 17:17, "Peter Vogel" <<A
href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com">vogel.peter@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>In any field of endeavor, it is rare that the people with the
talent have the money to support their talent on their own, it's true in
sports like ours and most of the Olympic sports, it's true in the arts, it's
been true for generations in science and technology (Nicola Tesla, for
example, made very little money from his inventions that made several others
multimillionaires (and created several companies that are, today,
multi-hundred-billion dollar multinational corporations) but was supported
in his explorations by several benefactors who were willing to take a risk
on him, some wanted no payback, others hoped the next idea would be world
changing as his AC generator (a.k.a brushless motor) was and that they'd
make money back. Others are patrons of the arts -- I choose to be a
patron of the Aeronautical arts known as Pattern Flying, I hope that I'll be
capable of flying advanced before I die, but I see no reason our talented
athletes like Andrew, Jason, Brett, and Joseph shouldn't get some help from
those less talented but more fortunate :-)
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<DIV>I suspect most of us flying pattern wouldn't notice a few extra $ on an
entry fee (about the same cost as a coffee at Starbucks or breakfast at
mcdonalds) but it could make a big difference to future Team USA F3A
members!</DIV>
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<DIV>Peter+</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv945240476gmail_quote>On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Keith
Hoard <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:klhoard@hotmail.com" rel=nofollow
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wrote:<BR>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">What
makes you think that us lower class guys care to "support" the FAI
team? Some of you make it sound like we owe y'all a free
trip.<BR><SPAN><FONT color=#888888><BR>Keith Hoard<BR>Collierville,
TN<BR></FONT></SPAN>
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<DIV><BR>On Feb 27, 2013, at 16:28, "Chuck Hochhalter" <<A
href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR>><BR>> We could add 5 bucks to every local contest
entry and donate that to FAI.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Sent from my
iPhone<BR>><BR>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Archie Stafford <<A
href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</A>>
wrote:<BR>><BR>>> Mark,<BR>>><BR>>> Another option is
to adjust the entry fee for all classes. Maybe 25.00 per and all of that
goes to the team. Would be easy enough to do.<BR>>><BR>>>
Arch<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™
III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
-------- Original message --------<BR>>> From: "Atwood, Mark" <<A
href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</A>><BR>>>
Date:<BR>>> To: General pattern discussion <<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>>>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS
dates<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> As a side to
that…<BR>>><BR>>> We need to have a serious discussion about
the team selection and our "Official" participation levels. FAI
GUYS!!!! We NEED many more of you to sign up for the team selection
event (be it part of the Nats or otherwise in 2014) if we're going to
continue to get the same level of funding that we get now from the
AMA. To do that, I think we need to drastically lower the
price tag. The price tag ($170) is reminiscent of holding a separate
event and paying for the judges to come for 4 days and judge.
That's no longer an expense burden that the selection contest
bears.<BR>>><BR>>> The AMA has made "participation" a critical
point factor in determining the level of financial support that each team
receives. We don't get a lot of money, but they do pay for the
World Championship entry fees ($900 /pilot, $500 /team manager, $150
/caller ) which is a lot, and they help with some of the hotel bill.
It's a fraction of what we need, but it's still a big help. For this
year's WC's it's about $7800 of the $60K we'll need. But if we don't
increase our participation, we'll lose it.<BR>>><BR>>> This
past Nats we had 30+ FAI flyers… but less than 10 participated in the team
trial….meaning they paid the entry fee. Admittedly, I was one who
did not. I finished 11th, but that's a far cry from top 3, so
spending $170 "Just to participate" didn't seem like a good value
proposition. But if we can lower the cost to say $30, or something
reasonable, then I would participate simply to support the team (that's
where the entry fee money goes by the way…all of it) especially knowing
that it will motivate the AMA to continue their
funding.<BR>>><BR>>> I'll hammer this home more next year when
it's more relevant, but thought I'd chime in now
:)<BR>>><BR>>> Please feel free to return to your regularly
scheduled conversation.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Mark
Atwood<BR>>> Paragon Consulting, Inc. |
President<BR>>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio,
44124<BR>>> Phone: <A
href="wlmailhtml:{BD4CA8BE-1E15-4FE6-9F03-D7B4B9F78D25}mid://00000088/"
rel=nofollow>440.684.3101 x102</A> | Direct: <A
href="wlmailhtml:{BD4CA8BE-1E15-4FE6-9F03-D7B4B9F78D25}mid://00000088/"
rel=nofollow>440-229-2502</A><BR>>> Fax: <A
href="wlmailhtml:{BD4CA8BE-1E15-4FE6-9F03-D7B4B9F78D25}mid://00000088/"
rel=nofollow>440.684.3102</A><BR>>> <A
href="mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com">mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com</A><mailto:<A
href="mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com">mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com</A>>
| <A href="http://www.paragon-inc.com/" rel=nofollow
target=_blank>http://www.paragon-inc.com/</A><<A
href="http://www.paragon-inc.com/" rel=nofollow
target=_blank>http://www.paragon-inc.com/</A>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Budd Engineering <<A
href="mailto:jerry@buddengineering.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:jerry@buddengineering.com">jerry@buddengineering.com</A><mailto:<A
href="mailto:jerry@buddengineering.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:jerry@buddengineering.com">jerry@buddengineering.com</A>>>
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> Or a LOT easier because it's gotten so
small. It's occurred to some of us over the past several years that
you could hold the US Team Trials at a good local field and still have an
as good, if not better, team selection contest as we do
now.<BR>>><BR>>> Incidentally, when I mentioned this to a
couple of the AMA people at the show in Ontario last month it was made
quite clear that the "powers that be" in AMA have absolutely no interest
in allowing the Team Selection contest to ever be held anywhere but at the
AMA site in Muncie. Go Figure.<BR>>><BR>>>
-0<BR>>><BR>>> Jerry<BR>>><BR>>> Sent from my
iPhone<BR>>><BR>>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:59 AM, "Dave Burton"
<<A href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</A><mailto:<A
href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</A>>>
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> Amen +2<BR>>><BR>>> As pattern
participation continues to shrink the possibility of having the resources
to hold the Nats at a different venue gets even more
difficult.<BR>>> Dave<BR>>><BR>>> From: <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" rel=nofollow
target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><mailto:<A
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On Behalf Of John Fuqua<BR>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013
10:54 AM<BR>>> To: 'General pattern discussion'<BR>>> Subject:
Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<BR>>><BR>>> AMEN
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<BR>>><BR>>> From: <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" rel=nofollow
target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><mailto:<A
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On Behalf Of Vicente "Vince" Bortone<BR>>> Sent: Wednesday, February
27, 2013 9:43 AM<BR>>> To: General pattern discussion<BR>>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<BR>>><BR>>>
+1<BR>>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone<BR>>><BR>>>
________________________________<BR>>> From: "mike mueller" <<A
href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mups1953@yahoo.com</A><mailto:<A
href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mups1953@yahoo.com</A>>><BR>>>
To: "Archie Stafford" <<A href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</A><mailto:<A
href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</A>>>,
"General pattern discussion" <<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><mailto:<A
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Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:36:31 AM<BR>>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<BR>>> OK I want to play devil's
advocate.<BR>>> What is all this talk about an off site Nats
about?<BR>>> Is it that we need to move it around to allow new
people to participate? Or is it the changes to the schedule that basically
takes away a half day of practice?<BR>>> In my opinion it's not that
big of a deal. Moving the Nats off site would be a huge endeavor. Who has
the resources, energy and financial where with all to achieve
this?<BR>>> I doubt that we could pull it off. Unless a lot of
effort was put forth to make it happen.<BR>>> I think the AMA has
supported us in a decent manner.<BR>>> Also look at the current BOD
of the AMA and you'll see that pattern is well represented with more than
our share. We also have Muncie employess who are pattern fliers. We have
friends in high places and I think we're doing pretty well.<BR>>>
I'm luck enough to go to the Muncie facility for 3 contests every year.
I'm amazed at the support we get from the AMA staff every time we go
there.<BR>>> Things could be a lot worse. Thanks, Mike
Mueller<BR>>><BR>>> --- On Mon, 2/25/13, Archie Stafford
<<A href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</A><mailto:<A
href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</A>>>
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> From: Archie Stafford <<A
href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</A><mailto:<A
href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</A>>><BR>>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<BR>>> To: <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><mailto:<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>>>
Date: Monday, February 25, 2013, 8:44 PM<BR>>> IMAC has been warned.
They already lost one day from a few years ago.<BR>>><BR>>>
Also, years ago I would've agreed. Today though the AMA has a lot more
park flyers and sport flyers than any other discipline . Most of my
club, with 86 members now flies smaller electrics. Many of the
younger kids would rather fly foamies than anything. Pattern, IMAC, and
scale don't do anything for them. The younger members are just different.
3D and helis are much more exciting to them. Times have
changed.<BR>>><BR>>> Arch<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT&T 4G LTE
smartphone<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> -------- Original message
--------<BR>>> From: Ron Hansen <<A
href="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com">rcpilot@wowway.com</A><mailto:<A
href="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com">rcpilot@wowway.com</A>>><BR>>>
Date:<BR>>> To: <A href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net" rel=nofollow
target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</A>,'General<mailto:<A
href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</A>,'General>
pattern discussion' <<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><mailto:<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>>><BR>>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<BR>>><BR>>>
What about IMAC they have less attendance at the NATS than us. With
their attendance I’m surprised the AMA will even give them a week.
Not that I’m suggesting they don’t deserve a week. One of the issues
I have with the NATS is that Intermediate and Advanced Pilots and those in
MASTERS and FAI that don’t make the cut don’t get any more flights than a
regular weekend contest. Perhaps more would attend if we offered
every pilot 12 guaranteed flights. That would make it more likely
that the west coasters would make the long trip to
Muncie.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> No one gets hooked
on RC by watching someone fly a park flyer. You get hooked by
watching someone go crazy with a heli or an IMAC plane or the graceful
flying of a pattern plane or the speed/wow factor of a jet or the roar of
a 4 engine B-17. These are all endeavors that are not associated
with the typical AMA member. If the AMA thinks they can survive
without these folks then let them try. What these groups need to do
is stop supporting the AMA with their articles, photos, etc. They’ll
have nothing to draw the attention of new members. AMA membership
will never be what it used to be because kids now a day are so much busier
than they used to be and there are so many more thinks competing for their
interest. We need to find a financially viable solution for both the
NSRCA and the AMA not to mention all the other SIGS. Without the SIGS
there would be no AMA.<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
From: <A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
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Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:20 PM<BR>>> To: General pattern
discussion<BR>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS
dates<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Guys it is too early
in the week to talk about good drinks. I got to work
tomorrow.<BR>>> Sent via BlackBerry by
AT&T<BR>>><BR>>> -----Original Message-----<BR>>>
From: Ronald Van Putte <<A href="mailto:vanputter@gmail.com"
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:57:02<BR>>> To: General pattern
discussion<<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<BR>>><BR>>>
For those who weren't there, we had several buses take us from the
Tullahoma airport about 12 miles to the Jack Daniels' distillery for the
"picnic". On the way back, there was a terrible thunderstorm.
When I mentioned the storm to some attendee the next day, they said, "What
thunderstorm?"<BR>>><BR>>> BTW, what did they call that stuff
they served? Was it Lynchburg Lemonade? It tasted wonderful
and went down so smooth!<BR>>><BR>>>
Ron<BR>>><BR>>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:48 PM, John Fuqua
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>> At least that part you
remember<BR>>>><BR>>>> -----Original
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Monday, February 25, 2013 4:47 PM<BR>>>> To: General pattern
discussion<BR>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS
dates<BR>>>><BR>>>> The bus ride back from the Jack
Daniel's distillery was memorable!<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Ron<BR>>>><BR>>>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Atwood,
Mark wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>> Scott, I think Ron
is correct on this one (biting my tongue as I voice<BR>>>>
that!) Back then the NSRCA had no input what so ever.
Obviously enough<BR>>>> was wrong with the way the AMA ran the
event to create a complete boycott of<BR>>>> the nationals in
lieu of the NPAC.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Peter, has the
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