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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Why don’t we raise the NSRCA dues $10 or $15 to support the team every 2 years<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ronald Van Putte<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:42 PM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I remember being CD of the F3A Team Selection contest back in 1991 at Duke Field (part of Eglin AFB, FL). There were 54 F3A competitors. <br><br>It was the last time Rhett Miller competed in an F3A Team Selection. He used an airplane borrowed from Ron Chidgey.<br><br>Ron<br><br>On Feb 27, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Dave Burton wrote:<br><br>> I seem to remember back a lot of years ago the FAI Team Selection stamp fee<br>> was $10.00 and lots of guys (myself included) paid it just to be part of<br>> helping. At $170.00 I wouldn't pay it. I could be wrong about the amount,<br>> and the pool of FAI flyers is much smaller so perhaps there wouldn't be muh<br>> money generater if it was significantly lower.<br>> Dave<br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>> [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark<br>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:26 PM<br>> To: General pattern discussion<br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates<br>><br>> Hey Keith,<br>><br>> I appreciate the comment actually as I sort of feel the same way. I've made<br>> sure that EVERYONE on the team is working actively in the fund raising<br>> (Trading effort and labor for money) and at the end, all will very likely<br>> still be paying for a portion of their trip. Talking with Jason and<br>> Andrew, each WC has cost them $3000-$5000 out of pocket to go, over and<br>> above what was donated. We're working hard to reduce that number but it's<br>> a reality.<br>><br>> And your correct, no one should expect a free trip. We're just working to<br>> help these guys represent us in our chosen hobby as the best we have. <br>><br>> Support is appreciated.not expected. <br>><br>> Mark Atwood<br>> Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President<br>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124<br>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Direct: 440-229-2502<br>> Fax: 440.684.3102<br>> <a href="mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com">mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com</a> | <a href="http://www.paragon-inc.com">www.paragon-inc.com</a><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Keith Hoard <<a href="mailto:klhoard@hotmail.com">klhoard@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> What makes you think that us lower class guys care to "support" the FAI<br>> team? Some of you make it sound like we owe y'all a free trip.<br>><br>> Keith Hoard<br>> Collierville, TN<br>><br>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 16:28, "Chuck Hochhalter" <<a href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</a>><br>> wrote:<br>><br>>><br>>> We could add 5 bucks to every local contest entry and donate that to FAI.<br>>><br>>><br>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>>><br>>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Archie Stafford <<a href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>><br>> wrote:<br>>><br>>>> Mark,<br>>>><br>>>> Another option is to adjust the entry fee for all classes. Maybe 25.00<br>> per and all of that goes to the team. Would be easy enough to do.<br>>>><br>>>> Arch<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy ST III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> -------- Original message --------<br>>>> From: "Atwood, Mark" <<a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>><br>>>> Date:<br>>>> To: General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> As a side to that.<br>>>><br>>>> We need to have a serious discussion about the team selection and our<br>> "Official" participation levels. FAI GUYS!!!! We NEED many more of you to<br>> sign up for the team selection event (be it part of the Nats or otherwise in<br>> 2014) if we're going to continue to get the same level of funding that we<br>> get now from the AMA. To do that, I think we need to drastically lower the<br>> price tag. The price tag ($170) is reminiscent of holding a separate event<br>> and paying for the judges to come for 4 days and judge. That's no longer<br>> an expense burden that the selection contest bears.<br>>>><br>>>> The AMA has made "participation" a critical point factor in determining<br>> the level of financial support that each team receives. We don't get a lot<br>> of money, but they do pay for the World Championship entry fees ($900<br>> /pilot, $500 /team manager, $150 /caller ) which is a lot, and they help<br>> with some of the hotel bill. It's a fraction of what we need, but it's<br>> still a big help. For this year's WC's it's about $7800 of the $60K we'll<br>> need. But if we don't increase our participation, we'll lose it.<br>>>><br>>>> This past Nats we had 30+ FAI flyers. but less than 10 participated in<br>> the team trial..meaning they paid the entry fee. Admittedly, I was one who<br>> did not. I finished 11th, but that's a far cry from top 3, so spending $170<br>> "Just to participate" didn't seem like a good value proposition. But if we<br>> can lower the cost to say $30, or something reasonable, then I would<br>> participate simply to support the team (that's where the entry fee money<br>> goes by the way.all of it) especially knowing that it will motivate the AMA<br>> to continue their funding.<br>>>><br>>>> I'll hammer this home more next year when it's more relevant, but thought<br>> I'd chime in now :)<br>>>><br>>>> Please feel free to return to your regularly scheduled conversation.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> Mark Atwood<br>>>> Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President<br>>>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124<br>>>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Direct: 440-229-2502<br>>>> Fax: 440.684.3102<br>>>> mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com<<a href="mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com">mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com</a>> |<br>> www.paragon-inc.com<<a href="http://www.paragon-inc.com/">http://www.paragon-inc.com/</a>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Budd Engineering<br>> <jerry@buddengineering.com<<a href="mailto:jerry@buddengineering.com">mailto:jerry@buddengineering.com</a>>> wrote:<br>>>><br>>>> Or a LOT easier because it's gotten so small. It's occurred to some of<br>> us over the past several years that you could hold the US Team Trials at a<br>> good local field and still have an as good, if not better, team selection<br>> contest as we do now.<br>>>><br>>>> Incidentally, when I mentioned this to a couple of the AMA people at the<br>> show in Ontario last month it was made quite clear that the "powers that be"<br>> in AMA have absolutely no interest in allowing the Team Selection contest to<br>> ever be held anywhere but at the AMA site in Muncie. Go Figure.<br>>>><br>>>> -0<br>>>><br>>>> Jerry<br>>>><br>>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>>>><br>>>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:59 AM, "Dave Burton"<br>> <burtona@atmc.net<<a href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">mailto:burtona@atmc.net</a>>> wrote:<br>>>><br>>>> Amen +2<br>>>><br>>>> As pattern participation continues to shrink the possibility of having<br>> the resources to hold the Nats at a different venue gets even more<br>> difficult.<br>>>> Dave<br>>>><br>>>> From:<br>> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org%3cmailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis</a><br>> ts.nsrca.org> [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>> John Fuqua<br>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:54 AM<br>>>> To: 'General pattern discussion'<br>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<br>>>><br>>>> AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br>>>><br>>>> From:<br>> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org%3cmailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis</a><br>> ts.nsrca.org> [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:43 AM<br>>>> To: General pattern discussion<br>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<br>>>><br>>>> +1<br>>>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone<br>>>><br>>>> ________________________________<br>>>> From: "mike mueller" <mups1953@yahoo.com<<a href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com</a>>><br>>>> To: "Archie Stafford"<br>> <astafford@md.metrocast.net<<a href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>>>, "General<br>> pattern discussion"<br>> <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>><br>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:36:31 AM<br>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<br>>>> OK I want to play devil's advocate.<br>>>> What is all this talk about an off site Nats about?<br>>>> Is it that we need to move it around to allow new people to participate?<br>> Or is it the changes to the schedule that basically takes away a half day of<br>> practice?<br>>>> In my opinion it's not that big of a deal. Moving the Nats off site would<br>> be a huge endeavor. Who has the resources, energy and financial where with<br>> all to achieve this?<br>>>> I doubt that we could pull it off. Unless a lot of effort was put forth<br>> to make it happen.<br>>>> I think the AMA has supported us in a decent manner.<br>>>> Also look at the current BOD of the AMA and you'll see that pattern is<br>> well represented with more than our share. We also have Muncie employess who<br>> are pattern fliers. We have friends in high places and I think we're doing<br>> pretty well.<br>>>> I'm luck enough to go to the Muncie facility for 3 contests every year.<br>> I'm amazed at the support we get from the AMA staff every time we go there.<br>>>> Things could be a lot worse. Thanks, Mike Mueller<br>>>><br>>>> --- On Mon, 2/25/13, Archie Stafford<br>> <astafford@md.metrocast.net<<a href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>>> wrote:<br>>>><br>>>> From: Archie Stafford<br>> <astafford@md.metrocast.net<<a href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>>><br>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<br>>>> To:<br>> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>>>> Date: Monday, February 25, 2013, 8:44 PM<br>>>> IMAC has been warned. They already lost one day from a few years ago.<br>>>><br>>>> Also, years ago I would've agreed. Today though the AMA has a lot more<br>> park flyers and sport flyers than any other discipline . Most of my club,<br>> with 86 members now flies smaller electrics. Many of the younger kids would<br>> rather fly foamies than anything. Pattern, IMAC, and scale don't do anything<br>> for them. The younger members are just different. 3D and helis are much more<br>> exciting to them. Times have changed.<br>>>><br>>>> Arch<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy ST III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> -------- Original message --------<br>>>> From: Ron Hansen <rcpilot@wowway.com<<a href="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com">mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com</a>>><br>>>> Date:<br>>>> To: vicenterc@comcast.net,'General<<a href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net,'General">mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net,'General</a>><br>> pattern discussion'<br>> <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>><br>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<br>>>><br>>>> What about IMAC they have less attendance at the NATS than us. With<br>> their attendance I'm surprised the AMA will even give them a week. Not that<br>> I'm suggesting they don't deserve a week. One of the issues I have with the<br>> NATS is that Intermediate and Advanced Pilots and those in MASTERS and FAI<br>> that don't make the cut don't get any more flights than a regular weekend<br>> contest. Perhaps more would attend if we offered every pilot 12 guaranteed<br>> flights. That would make it more likely that the west coasters would make<br>> the long trip to Muncie.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> No one gets hooked on RC by watching someone fly a park flyer. You get<br>> hooked by watching someone go crazy with a heli or an IMAC plane or the<br>> graceful flying of a pattern plane or the speed/wow factor of a jet or the<br>> roar of a 4 engine B-17. These are all endeavors that are not associated<br>> with the typical AMA member. If the AMA thinks they can survive without<br>> these folks then let them try. What these groups need to do is stop<br>> supporting the AMA with their articles, photos, etc. They'll have nothing<br>> to draw the attention of new members. AMA membership will never be what it<br>> used to be because kids now a day are so much busier than they used to be<br>> and there are so many more thinks competing for their interest. We need to<br>> find a financially viable solution for both the NSRCA and the AMA not to<br>> mention all the other SIGS. Without the SIGS there would be no AMA.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> From:<br>> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org%3cmailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis</a><br>> ts.nsrca.org> [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>> vicenterc@comcast.net<<a href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net</a>><br>>>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:20 PM<br>>>> To: General pattern discussion<br>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> Guys it is too early in the week to talk about good drinks. I got to<br>> work tomorrow.<br>>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T<br>>>><br>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>>> From: Ronald Van Putte<br>> <<a href="mailto:vanputter@gmail.com%3chttp://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputter%0b">vanputter@gmail.com<http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputter<br></a>> @gmail.com>><br>>>> Sender:<br>> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org%3chttp://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/</a><br>> <a href="mailto:compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>>>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:57:02<br>>>> To: General pattern<br>> discussion<<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org%3chttp://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/%0b">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/<br></a>> <a href="mailto:mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>><br>>>> Reply-To: General pattern discussion<br>> <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org%3chttp://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose%0b">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose<br></a>> <a href="mailto:?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>><br>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<br>>>><br>>>> For those who weren't there, we had several buses take us from the<br>> Tullahoma airport about 12 miles to the Jack Daniels' distillery for the<br>> "picnic". On the way back, there was a terrible thunderstorm. When I<br>> mentioned the storm to some attendee the next day, they said, "What<br>> thunderstorm?"<br>>>><br>>>> BTW, what did they call that stuff they served? Was it Lynchburg<br>> Lemonade? It tasted wonderful and went down so smooth!<br>>>><br>>>> Ron<br>>>><br>>>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:48 PM, John Fuqua wrote:<br>>>><br>>>>> At least that part you remember<br>>>>><br>>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>>>> From:<br>> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org%3chttp://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/</a><br>> <a href="mailto:compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>>>>><br>> [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo<br>> .com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of<br>> Ronald Van<br>>>>> Putte<br>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:47 PM<br>>>>> To: General pattern discussion<br>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<br>>>>><br>>>>> The bus ride back from the Jack Daniel's distillery was memorable!<br>>>>><br>>>>> Ron<br>>>>><br>>>>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:<br>>>>><br>>>>>> Scott, I think Ron is correct on this one (biting my tongue as I voice<br>>>>> that!) Back then the NSRCA had no input what so ever. Obviously<br>> enough<br>>>>> was wrong with the way the AMA ran the event to create a complete<br>> boycott of<br>>>>> the nationals in lieu of the NPAC.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Peter, has the nats every<br>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>>>> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>>>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><br><br>__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 8056 (20130227) __________<br><br>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.<br><br><a href="http://www.eset.com">http://www.eset.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 8056 (20130227) __________<br><br>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.<br><br><a href="http://www.eset.com">http://www.eset.com</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 8058 (20130227) __________<br><br>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.<br><br><a href="http://www.eset.com">http://www.eset.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>