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Dave,<br>
Why is it bad if a foreign competitor comes to our Nats and beats
one or all of our team members? We are somewhat isolated over here
and do not get to see many of the top world competitors. It would do
the team good to find out where the bar is and how much improvement
is required to excel at the worlds. I believe the team would
consider being beaten at the trials as a challenge to improve and
not a demoralizing influence.<br>
The Australians used to pay airfare for top foreign competitors to
come down under and compete in the Kraft Masters(International
meet) for the sole purpose of finding out where the bar was and
what top ten flying looked like. Rather than exclude foreign
influences at the team trials, it would be a much better plan to
invite(pay) a European judge or two to come over to judge the
finals. That would give a good reference for the team to use in
preparation. <br>
John<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/27/2013 5:47 PM, Dave Lockhart
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Resistance
to the combining of the two was for many reasons…many of
which are moot now that the NATs and Team Trials are
combined.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’ve
said it a million times, and offered the suggestion just as
many times. It absolutely would be bad for a foreign
competitor to best a US Team Member at the US Team Trials.
The answer is simple enough, IMHO. In Team Trial years, the
NATs are over after the semifinals (4 rounds of P, 2 rounds
of F), and the Team Trials will continue with 2F and 2
Unknown to pick the US Team Members.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dave<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Ronald Van Putte<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection -
was 2013 NATS dates<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The irony here is that we tried to have a
joint Nats/Team Selection much earlier and there was
significant resistance to doing it. Comments were made that
"Foreign competitors can compete in the Nats and might beat
one or more of the USA F3A team members and that would be
bad".<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ron<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Feb 27, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Jon Lowe
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Correct
me if I'm wrong, but I believe the last separate team
selection we had was at Triple Tree in SC just after
the turn of the century. I know of nothing that
prevents us from having a separate team trial, but
that would involve yet another contest to organize,
and more cost. Frankly, I personally prefer having
the team trials at the Nats, because we get all of the
top FAI fliers to attend at least once every two
years. Given the proximity of this years Nats to the
dates of this years WC, we will likely not see our
team members at the Nats, and they will be missed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">-----Original
Message-----<br>
From: Ronald Van Putte <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vanputter@gmail.com">vanputter@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: General pattern discussion <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 5:42 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was
2013 NATS dates<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">I remember being CD of the F3A Team Selection contest back in 1991 at Duke Field <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">(part of Eglin AFB, FL). There were 54 F3A competitors. <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">It was the last time Rhett Miller competed in an F3A Team Selection. He used an <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">airplane borrowed from Ron Chidgey.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">Ron<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">On Feb 27, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Dave Burton wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> I seem to remember back a lot of years ago the FAI Team Selection stamp fee<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> was $10.00 and lots of guys (myself included) paid it just to be part of<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> helping. At $170.00 I wouldn't pay it. I could be wrong about the amount,<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> and the pool of FAI flyers is much smaller so perhaps there wouldn't be muh<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> money generater if it was significantly lower.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> Dave <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> From: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:26 PM<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> To: General pattern discussion<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> Hey Keith,<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> I appreciate the comment actually as I sort of feel the same way. I've made<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> sure that EVERYONE on the team is working actively in the fund raising<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> (Trading effort and labor for money) and at the end, all will very likely<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> still be paying for a portion of their trip. Talking with Jason and<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> Andrew, each WC has cost them $3000-$5000 out of pocket to go, over and<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> above what was donated. We're working hard to reduce that number but it's<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> a reality.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> And your correct, no one should expect a free trip. We're just working to<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> help these guys represent us in our chosen hobby as the best we have. <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
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<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
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<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> On Feb 27, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Keith Hoard <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:klhoard@hotmail.com">klhoard@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> What makes you think that us lower class guys care to "support" the FAI<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> team? Some of you make it sound like we owe y'all a free trip.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> Keith Hoard<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> Collierville, TN<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> On Feb 27, 2013, at 16:28, "Chuck Hochhalter" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cahochhalter@yahoo.com">cahochhalter@yahoo.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>> We could add 5 bucks to every local contest entry and donate that to FAI.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>> Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Archie Stafford <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Mark,<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Another option is to adjust the entry fee for all classes. Maybe 25.00<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> per and all of that goes to the team. Would be easy enough to do.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Arch<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy ST III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> -------- Original message --------<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> From: "Atwood, Mark" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Date:<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> To: General pattern discussion <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> As a side to that.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> We need to have a serious discussion about the team selection and our<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> "Official" participation levels. FAI GUYS!!!! We NEED many more of you to<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> sign up for the team selection event (be it part of the Nats or otherwise in<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> 2014) if we're going to continue to get the same level of funding that we<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> get now from the AMA. To do that, I think we need to drastically lower the<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> price tag. The price tag ($170) is reminiscent of holding a separate event<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> and paying for the judges to come for 4 days and judge. That's no longer<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> an expense burden that the selection contest bears.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> The AMA has made "participation" a critical point factor in determining<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> the level of financial support that each team receives. We don't get a lot<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> of money, but they do pay for the World Championship entry fees ($900<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> /pilot, $500 /team manager, $150 /caller ) which is a lot, and they help<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> with some of the hotel bill. It's a fraction of what we need, but it's<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> still a big help. For this year's WC's it's about $7800 of the $60K we'll<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> need. But if we don't increase our participation, we'll lose it.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> This past Nats we had 30+ FAI flyers. but less than 10 participated in<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> the team trial..meaning they paid the entry fee. Admittedly, I was one who<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> did not. I finished 11th, but that's a far cry from top 3, so spending $170<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> "Just to participate" didn't seem like a good value proposition. But if we<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> can lower the cost to say $30, or something reasonable, then I would<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> participate simply to support the team (that's where the entry fee money<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> goes by the way.all of it) especially knowing that it will motivate the AMA<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> to continue their funding.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> I'll hammer this home more next year when it's more relevant, but thought<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> I'd chime in now :)<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Please feel free to return to your regularly scheduled conversation.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Mark Atwood<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Direct: 440-229-2502<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Fax: 440.684.3102<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com">mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com</a><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com?">mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com</a>> |<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.paragon-inc.com%3chttp:/www.paragon-inc.com/" target="_blank">www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com/</a>><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Budd Engineering<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jerry@buddengineering.com">jerry@buddengineering.com</a><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jerry@buddengineering.com?">mailto:jerry@buddengineering.com</a>>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Or a LOT easier because it's gotten so small. It's occurred to some of<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> us over the past several years that you could hold the US Team Trials at a<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> good local field and still have an as good, if not better, team selection<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> contest as we do now.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Incidentally, when I mentioned this to a couple of the AMA people at the<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> show in Ontario last month it was made quite clear that the "powers that be"<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> in AMA have absolutely no interest in allowing the Team Selection contest to<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> ever be held anywhere but at the AMA site in Muncie. Go Figure.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> -0<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Jerry<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:59 AM, "Dave Burton"<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</a><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:burtona@atmc.net?">mailto:burtona@atmc.net</a>>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Amen +2<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> As pattern participation continues to shrink the possibility of having<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> the resources to hold the Nats at a different venue gets even more<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> difficult.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Dave<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> From:<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ts.nsrca.org">ts.nsrca.org</a>> [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> John Fuqua<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:54 AM<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> To: 'General pattern discussion'<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> From:<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ts.nsrca.org">ts.nsrca.org</a>> [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> Vicente "Vince" Bortone<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:43 AM<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> To: General pattern discussion<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> +1<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> ________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> From: "mike mueller" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mups1953@yahoo.com</a><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com?">mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com</a>>><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> To: "Archie Stafford"<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</a><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net?">mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>>>, "General<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> pattern discussion"<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:36:31 AM<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> OK I want to play devil's advocate.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> What is all this talk about an off site Nats about?<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Is it that we need to move it around to allow new people to participate?<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> Or is it the changes to the schedule that basically takes away a half day of<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> practice?<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> In my opinion it's not that big of a deal. Moving the Nats off site would<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> be a huge endeavor. Who has the resources, energy and financial where with<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> all to achieve this?<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> I doubt that we could pull it off. Unless a lot of effort was put forth<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> to make it happen.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> I think the AMA has supported us in a decent manner.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Also look at the current BOD of the AMA and you'll see that pattern is<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> well represented with more than our share. We also have Muncie employess who<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> are pattern fliers. We have friends in high places and I think we're doing<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> pretty well.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> I'm luck enough to go to the Muncie facility for 3 contests every year.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> I'm amazed at the support we get from the AMA staff every time we go there.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Things could be a lot worse. Thanks, Mike Mueller<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> --- On Mon, 2/25/13, Archie Stafford<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</a><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net?">mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> From: Archie Stafford<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</a><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net?">mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>>><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> To:<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Date: Monday, February 25, 2013, 8:44 PM<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> IMAC has been warned. They already lost one day from a few years ago.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Also, years ago I would've agreed. Today though the AMA has a lot more<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> park flyers and sport flyers than any other discipline . Most of my club,<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> with 86 members now flies smaller electrics. Many of the younger kids would<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> rather fly foamies than anything. Pattern, IMAC, and scale don't do anything<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> for them. The younger members are just different. 3D and helis are much more<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> exciting to them. Times have changed.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Arch<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy ST III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> -------- Original message --------<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> From: Ron Hansen <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com">rcpilot@wowway.com</a><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com?">mailto:rcpilot@wowway.com</a>>><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Date:<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</a>,'General<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net,">mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net,'General</a>><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> pattern discussion'<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> What about IMAC they have less attendance at the NATS than us. With<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> their attendance I'm surprised the AMA will even give them a week. Not that<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> I'm suggesting they don't deserve a week. One of the issues I have with the<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> NATS is that Intermediate and Advanced Pilots and those in MASTERS and FAI<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> that don't make the cut don't get any more flights than a regular weekend<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> contest. Perhaps more would attend if we offered every pilot 12 guaranteed<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> flights. That would make it more likely that the west coasters would make<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> the long trip to Muncie.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> No one gets hooked on RC by watching someone fly a park flyer. You get<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> hooked by watching someone go crazy with a heli or an IMAC plane or the<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> graceful flying of a pattern plane or the speed/wow factor of a jet or the<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> roar of a 4 engine B-17. These are all endeavors that are not associated<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> with the typical AMA member. If the AMA thinks they can survive without<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> these folks then let them try. What these groups need to do is stop<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> supporting the AMA with their articles, photos, etc. They'll have nothing<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> to draw the attention of new members. AMA membership will never be what it<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> used to be because kids now a day are so much busier than they used to be<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> and there are so many more thinks competing for their interest. We need to<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> find a financially viable solution for both the NSRCA and the AMA not to<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> mention all the other SIGS. Without the SIGS there would be no AMA.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> From:<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lis</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ts.nsrca.org">ts.nsrca.org</a>> [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net">vicenterc@comcast.net</a><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net?">mailto:vicenterc@comcast.net</a>><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:20 PM<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> To: General pattern discussion<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Guys it is too early in the week to talk about good drinks. I got to<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> work tomorrow.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> From: Ronald Van Putte<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vanputter@gmail.com">vanputter@gmail.com</a><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputter" target="_blank">http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputter</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> @gmail.com>><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Sender:<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/" target="_blank">http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> compose?to=<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:57:02<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> To: General pattern<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> discussion<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/" target="_blank">http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> mc/compose?to=<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Reply-To: General pattern discussion<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose" target="_blank">http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> ?to=<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> For those who weren't there, we had several buses take us from the<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> Tullahoma airport about 12 miles to the Jack Daniels' distillery for the<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> "picnic". On the way back, there was a terrible thunderstorm. When I<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> mentioned the storm to some attendee the next day, they said, "What<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> thunderstorm?"<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> BTW, what did they call that stuff they served? Was it Lynchburg<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> Lemonade? It tasted wonderful and went down so smooth!<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> Ron<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:48 PM, John Fuqua wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>>> At least that part you remember<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>>> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>>> From:<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/" target="_blank">http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> compose?to=<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org%3Chttp://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> .com/mc/compose?to=<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>>] On Behalf Of<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> Ronald Van<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>>> Putte<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:47 PM<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>>> To: General pattern discussion<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>>> The bus ride back from the Jack Daniel's distillery was memorable!<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>>> Ron<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>>>> Scott, I think Ron is correct on this one (biting my tongue as I voice<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>>> that!) Back then the NSRCA had no input what so ever. Obviously<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> enough<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>>> was wrong with the way the AMA ran the event to create a complete<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> boycott of<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>>> the nationals in lieu of the NPAC.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>>>> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>>>> Peter, has the nats every<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">>> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><tt><span style="color:black">NSRCA-discussion mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre>
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