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<div>But I agree, geometry seems to have gotten lost in the quest for constant speed, smoothness and gracefulness. I can't define a too tight or too loose radius. I can define heading changes, radii changes, 1 point per 15 degrees, perecnt out of the box, etc. It seems FAI is heading into the subjective rather than objective criteria for judging, ie "impression" judging.</div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: ; font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-family: ; font-size: 10pt;"> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:flyintexan@att.net">flyintexan@att.net</a><br>
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From: "Andre Bouchard" <<a href="mailto:txf3a@entouch.net">txf3a@entouch.net</a>><br>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span">Don,</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span">This question of course relates to the </span><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-family: ; font-size: 11.5pt;">Annex 5B – F3 R/C Aerobatic Power Model Aircraft Manoeuvre Execution Guide, Section 5B.9...</span></span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family: ; font-size: 10pt;">5B.9 </span><b><span style="font-family: ; font-size: 10pt;">SMOOTHNESS AND GRACEFULNESS OF THE MANOEUVRE </span></b></div>
<div><span style="font-family: ; font-size: 10pt;">"Concerns the harmonic appearance of an entire manoeuvre. Ie maintaining a constant flight speed throughout the various manoeuvre components, like in climbing and descending sections contributes significantly to smoothness and gracefulness. Radii performed very tight or very loose, though being of equal size within one manoeuvre may be subject for downgrading Smoothness and Gracefulness."</span></div>
<div><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-family: ; font-size: 13.5pt;">If the radii are very abrupt the maneuver would not be "smooth and graceful." Similarly, if the radii are very loose the maneuver elements would likely not be well defined (not graceful?). I think "very" is the key word - beyond expectation, not normally seen, etc. Extending that thought, I think this would be a uncommon downgrade.</span></span></div>
<div><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-family: ;">Stating the obvious here...there are no technical criteria for what constitutes "very tight or very loose" radii. The criteria are subjective.</span></span></div>
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