<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I thought you guys drank Southern Comfort?<div><br></div><div>Jim O</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:48 PM, Ronald Van Putte wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Well, it's hardly EVER flying time at 7:32 P.M. I am sipping my second beer and about to crack another.<div><br></div><div>Ron</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Feb 26, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Jon Lowe wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><font color="black" size="3" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">
<div><font style="background-color: transparent;" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">For you REALLY old farts, (as opposed to us much younger old farts), "+1" means "I agree".</font></div>
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<div>And Ron, I thought it was always sunny in FL. Why aren't you flying, or getting a new airplane ready to fly?</div>
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<div>+1 on a 10 scale is still pretty big</div>
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<div>Enquiring minds (who have nothing else to do) want to know.</div>
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<div>On Feb 26, 2013, at 7:15 PM, Dave Lockhart wrote:</div>
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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging question for the experts<br>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span class="apple-style-span">This question of course relates to the </span><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-family: ArialMT, serif; font-size: 11.5pt;">Annex 5B – F3 R/C Aerobatic Power Model Aircraft Manoeuvre Execution Guide, Section 5B.9...</span></span></div>
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<div style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-family: ArialMT, serif; font-size: 10pt;">5B.9<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><b><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">SMOOTHNESS AND GRACEFULNESS OF THE MANOEUVRE</span></b></div>
<div style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-family: ArialMT, serif; font-size: 10pt;">"Concerns the harmonic appearance of an entire manoeuvre. Ie maintaining a constant flight speed throughout the various manoeuvre components, like in climbing and descending sections contributes significantly to smoothness and gracefulness. Radii performed very tight or very loose, though being of equal size within one manoeuvre may be subject for downgrading Smoothness and Gracefulness."</span></div>
<div style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-family: ArialMT, serif; font-size: 13.5pt;">If the radii are very abrupt the maneuver would not be "smooth and graceful." Similarly, if the radii are very loose the maneuver elements would likely not be well defined (not graceful?). I think "very" is the key word - beyond expectation, not normally seen, etc. Extending that thought, I think this would be a uncommon downgrade.</span></span></div>
<div style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-family: ArialMT, serif;">Stating the obvious here...there are no technical criteria for what constitutes "very tight or very loose" radii. The criteria are subjective.</span></span></div>
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On Feb 24, 2013, at 9:13 PM,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" href="mailto:tocdon@netscape.net">tocdon@netscape.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;"><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">A question on radius judging. Tight radius (or loose radius) manevuer segments are subject to downgrade in FAI. What constitutes a tight radius? Physically tight (in feet, for example), or tight (fast speed through the radius giving the impression that the plane is pulling excessive g's, however that is interpreted). A slow flying radius could be extremely tight, for example the last radius at the bottom of the triangle loop (135 degree pull) or figure Z.</span></div>
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