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    Isn't it the reverse?&nbsp; In AMA the first radius sets the radii for
    the rest of the maneuver.<br>
    And yes Jim the pull up radius has to be the same as the loop
    portion.<br>
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    Stuart C.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/25/2013 8:55 PM, Patrick Harris
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAOtb9vAiokPz3yVrBNHY0LuGrfVNCZAhWwXroaV021tzTjbEjw@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">In FAI, the "<strong>first"</strong> radius of the
      maneuver establishes all radius's of the maneuver. In AMA classes,
      the last radius flown in the maneuver&nbsp;establishes the radius of
      the next (radius) in the maneuver. . <br>
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      <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 5:00 PM, James
        Oddino <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com" target="_blank">joddino@socal.rr.com</a>&gt;</span>
        wrote:<br>
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          <div style="word-wrap:break-word">How about the radii in a
            half reverse cuban eight turnaround? &nbsp;Does the radius of the
            loop have to be the same as the radius of the pull to 45
            degrees?
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            <div>Jim O</div>
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                <div>On Feb 24, 2013, at 7:13 PM, <a
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                    <div><font style="background-color:transparent">A
                        question on radius judging.&nbsp; Tight radius (or
                        loose radius) manevuer segments are subject to
                        downgrade in FAI.&nbsp; What constitutes a tight
                        radius?&nbsp; Physically tight (in feet, for
                        example), or tight (fast speed through the
                        radius giving the impression that the plane is
                        pulling excessive g's, however&nbsp;that is
                        interpreted).&nbsp;&nbsp; A slow flying radius could be
                        extremely tight, for example&nbsp;the last radius
                        at&nbsp;the bottom of the triangle loop (135 degree
                        pull) or figure Z.<br>
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                    <div><font style="background-color:transparent">Best
                        regards,</font></div>
                    <div><font style="background-color:transparent">Don</font></div>
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