<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div>Peter,</div><div><br></div><div>In those days the NATS had sponsors to help do the leg work. Trying to set up a NATS type event without the staff of the AMA or the equipment, including tents and such would be a very difficult task. Not saying it couldn't be done, but the cost would definitely go up. Also, this is completely unofficial, but several groups have already heard that if they move their NATS from the AMA site, that they will not be added back to the schedule. The AMA is trying to cut down on the NATS so that the site can be used for more money making events during the summer, such as XFC and IRCHA. I'm not trying to start any type of argument here, just stating things that have been said. This will be my last year as ED, at least for a while. Someone else gets to deal with the fun stuff from AMA next year.</div><div><br></div><div>Arch</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Peter Vogel <<a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span> General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Monday, February 25, 2013 4:47 PM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">One could argue that the Nats should move around as it used to, Muncie is hardly a vacation destination for the rest of the family which makes it hard to ditch the family for a week+ in order to drive there and back to attend!</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Ronald Van Putte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vanputter@gmail.com" target="_blank">vanputter@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">AMA absolutely refused to allow us any say in how the Nats were run. They did a terrible job, because they were not experienced in R/C aerobatic competition.<div><br></div><div>From a practical sense, now NSRCA runs the Nats. We pick the event director. Our event director implements a plan which was approved by the NSRCA Board. The ED "works" for AMA, but from an NSRCA plan.</div><div><br></div><div>Does NSRCA want even more control over the Nats? Sure, but AMA owns the facility we compete on. </div><div><br></div><div>If things ever go back in the direction of what we had before the N-PACs, we can have another N-PAC.</div><div><br></div><div>Ron</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br><div><div>On Feb 25, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Scott McHarg wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">With all due respect to a very nice guy and a guy very involved with what goes on, I do not necessarily agree with your reason being over. The NSRCA does not have much say on how it is run at all. I will admit that they, at the very least, listen to our concerns now but the AMA runs the show.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Ronald Van Putte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vanputter@gmail.com" target="_blank">vanputter@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">We had N-PAC because AMA refused to permit NSRCA to have any say on how the Nats were run. That reason is over. Now we have to compete for Nats time with other SIGs. In my opinion, the best way to do that is to increase the number of Nats competitors in R/C Aerobatics.<div><br></div><div>Ron</div><div><div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 25, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Scott McHarg wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>We also used to have NPAC. Now, we have to do what we can within the framework of the AMA and their time restraints. It is very unfortunate.<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Charlie Rock <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:charlierock@me.com" target="_blank">charlierock@me.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>And that is very very sad to hear!!! Charlie<br><br>"When people are afraid of a government that is - Tyranny; And a government that is afraid of the people that is - Liberty." Thomas Jefferson </div><div><br>On Feb 25, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Archie Stafford <<a href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net" target="_blank">astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><br></div><div>
I completely agree Ron but those days are gone. The AMA is no longer focused on competition like it used to be</div><div><br></div>Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone <br><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>
From: Ronald Van Putte <<a href="mailto:vanputter@gmail.com" target="_blank">vanputter@gmail.com</a>> <br>Date: <br>To: General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates <br> <br><br><span>I know that "suck" and "blow" are opposites, but that situation both </span>"sucks" and "blows". We used to have a designated "checkin/practice" day <u>and</u> a "rain" day.<div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Ron</span></div><div><span><br><div><div>On Feb 25, 2013, at 2:42 PM, Archie Stafford wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><p>
Mike,</p><p>The AMA has shortened the total NATS period this year, so you read that correct. Fortunately, our actual flying days were not changed. Soaring went from 13 days to 6 days this year. In previous years, it was never truly our day, but it worked out that way as a day of setup for the workers. We have never had a true practice day, but since the sites were free, they were available. Sites 1 and 4 may be available, but that remains to be seen. Once Pylon is done then we will be able to use the sites. Think of it as how the others sites have worked on Saturdays in previous years.</p><p>Archie<br><br><br><br><b>On Mon 02/25/13 3:31 PM , mike mueller <a href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com" target="_blank">mups1953@yahoo.com</a> sent:<br></b></p><blockquote style="PADDING-RIGHT:0px;PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;BORDER-LEFT:#5167c6 2px solid;MARGIN-RIGHT:0px"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top"><div>I have a question too.</div><div> On the AMA site they show RC Pylon still being there on the Sunday the 21st. If that's the case will it stop us from practicing on that day? Thanks, Mike<br><br>
--- On <b>Mon, 2/25/13, Bob Kane <i><u></u><u></u></i></b>wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;BORDER-LEFT:rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><br>
From: Bob Kane <u></u><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<br>
To: "General pattern discussion" <u></u><br>
Date: Monday, February 25, 2013, 2:23 PM<br><br><div><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><div>I sent a message on facebook, but here is my quesiton again via "real" email . . . .</div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif"><br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif">Am I set to work site 1 again this year? I am not going to try and compete and work as I did last year, it did not work out very well. </div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif"><br></div><div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif">Thanks.</div><div></div><div> </div><div>Bob Kane<br><a href="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com" target="_blank">getterflash@yahoo.com</a><br></div><div style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'times new roman','new york',times,serif"><div style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'times new roman','new york',times,serif"><div dir="ltr"><span style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Arial"><hr size="1">
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">From:</span></b> Archie Stafford <u></u><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">To:</span></b> General pattern discussion <u></u><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, September 15, 2012 11:03 AM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Subject:</span></b> [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<br><u></u><u></u></span></div><br>
Just settled dates here at the NATS planning meeting. The official dates are now set and I want to get it out early. <br><br>
July 21-25. <br>
Check-In is July 21. <br>
Intermediate & Advanced flying July 22-24<br>
Masters and FAI Prelims July 22-24<br>
Masters & FAI finals July 25<br><br>
Fees are the same as last year.<br>
Early entry deadline: June 24<br>
Late deadline: July 8<br><br>
Fees will once again double after June 24. Refunds can be issued up to 24 hours prior to start, minus the AMA part, so if you register early and have to change, you can get your NSRCA fees back. <br><br>
Will update with more information later, but wanted to get the dates out for planning purposes. <br><br>
Arch<br>
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