<div dir="ltr">Mark,<div style>I have just seen "us" put in our place quite a bit lately when it comes to the AMA. I guess my point was that if we have problems, they are best voiced to the AMA when it comes to the NATS as they are the folks in control.</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Atwood, Mark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com" target="_blank">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Scott, I think Ron is correct on this one (biting my tongue as I voice that!) Back then the NSRCA had no input what so ever. Obviously enough was wrong with the way the AMA ran the event to create a complete boycott of the nationals in lieu of the NPAC.<br>
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Peter, has the nats every been in a vacation spot??? Hmmmm… Lawrenceville, IL certainly wasn't, and even the Npac in Tullahoma wasn't exactly family friendly (although I seem to recall a wicked hangover from a very nice tour/picnic at the Jack Daniel's distillary)<br>
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On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:33 PM, Scott McHarg <<a href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com">scmcharg@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com">scmcharg@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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With all due respect to a very nice guy and a guy very involved with what goes on, I do not necessarily agree with your reason being over. The NSRCA does not have much say on how it is run at all. I will admit that they, at the very least, listen to our concerns now but the AMA runs the show.<br>
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On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Ronald Van Putte <<a href="mailto:vanputter@gmail.com">vanputter@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:vanputter@gmail.com">vanputter@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
We had N-PAC because AMA refused to permit NSRCA to have any say on how the Nats were run. That reason is over. Now we have to compete for Nats time with other SIGs. In my opinion, the best way to do that is to increase the number of Nats competitors in R/C Aerobatics.<br>
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On Feb 25, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Scott McHarg wrote:<br>
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We also used to have NPAC. Now, we have to do what we can within the framework of the AMA and their time restraints. It is very unfortunate.<br>
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</div><div class="im">On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Charlie Rock <<a href="mailto:charlierock@me.com">charlierock@me.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:charlierock@me.com">charlierock@me.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
And that is very very sad to hear!!! Charlie<br>
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</div><div class="im">On Feb 25, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Archie Stafford <<a href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:astafford@md.metrocast.net">astafford@md.metrocast.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
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I completely agree Ron but those days are gone. The AMA is no longer focused on competition like it used to be<br>
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<br>
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I know that "suck" and "blow" are opposites, but that situation both "sucks" and "blows". We used to have a designated "checkin/practice" day and a "rain" day.<br>
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On Feb 25, 2013, at 2:42 PM, Archie Stafford wrote:<br>
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Mike,<br>
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The AMA has shortened the total NATS period this year, so you read that correct. Fortunately, our actual flying days were not changed. Soaring went from 13 days to 6 days this year. In previous years, it was never truly our day, but it worked out that way as a day of setup for the workers. We have never had a true practice day, but since the sites were free, they were available. Sites 1 and 4 may be available, but that remains to be seen. Once Pylon is done then we will be able to use the sites. Think of it as how the others sites have worked on Saturdays in previous years.<br>
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</div>On Mon 02/25/13 3:31 PM , mike mueller <a href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mups1953@yahoo.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mups1953@yahoo.com</a>> sent:<br>
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I have a question too.<br>
On the AMA site they show RC Pylon still being there on the Sunday the 21st. If that's the case will it stop us from practicing on that day? Thanks, Mike<br>
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<br>
To: "General pattern discussion"<br>
Date: Monday, February 25, 2013, 2:23 PM<br>
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I sent a message on facebook, but here is my quesiton again via "real" email . . . .<br>
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Am I set to work site 1 again this year? I am not going to try and compete and work as I did last year, it did not work out very well.<br>
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Thanks.<br>
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To: General pattern discussion<br>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 11:03 AM<br>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates<br>
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Just settled dates here at the NATS planning meeting. The official dates are now set and I want to get it out early.<br>
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July 21-25.<br>
Check-In is July 21.<br>
Intermediate & Advanced flying July 22-24<br>
Masters and FAI Prelims July 22-24<br>
Masters & FAI finals July 25<br>
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Fees are the same as last year.<br>
Early entry deadline: June 24<br>
Late deadline: July 8<br>
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Fees will once again double after June 24. Refunds can be issued up to 24 hours prior to start, minus the AMA part, so if you register early and have to change, you can get your NSRCA fees back.<br>
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Will update with more information later, but wanted to get the dates out for planning purposes.<br>
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