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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>+1……I no longer seem to have appetite for a big brunch…..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jon Lowe<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 29, 2012 11:19 AM<br><b>To:</b> mikemueller@f3aunlimited.com; nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] AMA Article on Wayne's Wheel Pants<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>This is WAY TMI! You guys have given me pictures I may never get out of my head...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Jon</span></span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Mike Mueller <<a href="mailto:mikemueller@f3aunlimited.com">mikemueller@f3aunlimited.com</a>><br>To: General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Sent: Sat, Dec 29, 2012 10:13 am<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] AMA Article on Wayne's Wheel Pants<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="AOLMsgPart_2_aa02ad89-bfe7-4b6b-ac04-3ef0b010c007"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>True!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Peter Vogel <<a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> Mike Mueller <<a href="mailto:mikemueller@f3aunlimited.com">mikemueller@f3aunlimited.com</a>>; General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <br><b>Cc:</b> General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 29, 2012 10:05 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] AMA Article on Wayne's Wheel Pants</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=yiv833814201><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>He does that and I bet you won't notice there are no wheel pants...<br>Sent from my iPhone5<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>On Dec 29, 2012, at 7:53 AM, Mike Mueller <<a href="mailto:mikemueller@f3aunlimited.com">mikemueller@f3aunlimited.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> Hey Bob. That was worth telling it twice. Yes it's that bad Bob. You know how they have topless beaches? Maybe they should have old fugly guy beaches too. One's with big warning signs that pattern fliers who don't have wheel pants and guys like you are scary and may be harmful to your well being.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> Keith you wear a speedo while flying when I'm judging and I promise it won't effect your score. Hahahahahaha!!!! Thanks for that, Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Bob Kane <<a href="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com">getterflash@yahoo.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>; General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 29, 2012 8:59 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] AMA Article on Wayne's Wheel Pants</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=yiv833814201><div><div><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#454545'>Is there something wrong with that look? I think you just described me.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></td></tr></table></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Bob Kane<a href="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com">getterflash@yahoo.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Mike Mueller <<a href="mailto:mikemueller@f3aunlimited.com">mikemueller@f3aunlimited.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 29, 2012 7:27 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] AMA Article on Wayne's Wheel Pants</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=yiv833814201><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>A pattern plane without wheel pants looks as bad as a fat old man at the beach with a tight speedo on. Add on some black shoes and socks for a better visual. It's not right.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> But hey you all should do whatever makes you happy. Have a nice day, Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> "<a href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com">khoard@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com">khoard@gmail.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 28, 2012 11:00 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] AMA Article on Wayne's Wheel Pants</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=yiv833814201><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I just stopped using wheel pants. Less weight. Less complexity. Less hangar rash. Still haven’t found a downside . . .<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:jpavlick26@att.net" title="jpavlick26@att.net">John Pavlick</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Friday, December 28, 2012 10:52 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern discussion'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] AMA Article on Wayne's Wheel Pants<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I use Wayne’s method (found the original info on Bob’s site when it was up) with one minor change: I found some machine screws with a large head at Home Depot. I think they’re called “truss-head” screws. Yes they are slightly heavier (not much I think it’s only about 1~2 grams) than a standard pan-head screw but I like the idea of having more surface area in that area especially when attaching to carbon-fiber gear legs. I use this method on all of my Pattern planes now. Haven’t had a failure yet although my planes are by no means “overweight”. LOL</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>John Pavlick</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentColor currentColor'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Pastorello<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:44 PM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] AMA Article on Wayne's Wheel Pants</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks, Wayne/Don....I remember how much I was impressed with that setup, Wayne. Used it several times after; my overweight birds benefited from the 8-32, but the 6-32 sure worked too. That was one clever setup, Wayne! Hard to believe it was almost NINE years ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I appreciate your remembering my drawing and page; those were good days!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 8:31 PM, Wayne Galligan <<a href="mailto:wcgalligan@att.net">wcgalligan@att.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks Don,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I actually used a 6/32 bolt on my wheel pants. 8/32 is stronger but I never had a failure of the 6/32<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>This drawing and description was done by Bob Pastorello after I showed him my method at the contest in Temple that year.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Bobs website has been down for awhile and he always had useful information on there.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Wayne Galligan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:donramsey@gmail.com" title="donramsey@gmail.com">Don Ramsey</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Thursday, December 27, 2012 8:12 PM</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern discussion'</a> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> [NSRCA-discussion] AMA Article on Wayne's Wheel Pants</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The reference in the RC Aerobatics column in the latest AMA Magazine about Wayne’s Wheel Pant Wizardry refers to Wayne Galligan’s method of mounting. To see his sketch visit the building page on </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://pages.suddenlink.net/donramsey" target="_blank">http://pages.suddenlink.net/donramsey</a></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Don</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list<a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>-- Bob Pastorello<a href="mailto:rpasto513@gmail.com">rpasto513@gmail.com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>No virus found in this message. 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