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    Thanks, Scott<br>
    Sounds like an item for the judging committee to consider then.<br>
    John<br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/14/2012 1:41 PM, Scott McHarg
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cite="mid:CALDH1Uo3zP2=9XESoRZhdw08Ef--5jnkgqPsSQguUOqo3DkOAg@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">We can make a diagram or&nbsp;maneuver&nbsp;look however you
      want it. &nbsp;It's not super easy but it can be done. &nbsp;The software
      allows us to design our own maneuver or use templates. &nbsp;There are
      some other experts out there that are better than I am with the
      Aresti software. &nbsp;What you ask for can be done however.
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      <div>Scott</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:36 PM, John
          Gayer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net" target="_blank">jgghome@comcast.net</a>&gt;</span>
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            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Scott,<br>
            I know you are reading this.<br>
            In the standard Aresti s/w we have, can you add new
            maneuvers, such as a roll with an "S" where the "4" would be
            for a four point? Of course we would get some folks doing
            five point rolls and wondering what the zero &nbsp;was for. :)<br>
            John<br>
            On 12/14/2012 12:58 PM, J N Hiller wrote:<br>
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              Yes I know. Would it be possible for us to deviate from
              IAC by adding<br>
              another similar but different symbol to identify a slow
              roll.<br>
              The rest of the sequence is well defined in the Aresti
              diagram without the<br>
              written description. Its always been this way. Does it
              need to continue? If<br>
              so I submit and will continue to reference both. Not a
              problem. Just<br>
              requires both.<br>
              Jim<br>
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              Behalf Of Jack Keiser<br>
              Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:37 AM<br>
              To: General pattern discussion<br>
              Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Aresti Question<br>
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              There is no "slow roll" in IAC. The roll rate is not
              specified but is<br>
              usually about 1-2 sec/360 deg. Slower rolls use up too
              much box and you're<br>
              usually struggling &nbsp;to stay in the box. Varying roll rate
              and heading and<br>
              pitch changes are the usual downgrades.<br>
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              On Dec 14, 2012, at 11:35, John Gayer &lt;<a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net"
                target="_blank">jgghome@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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                Jim,<br>
                To my knowledge, the answer is no. In Aresti a roll is a
                roll is a roll.<br>
                In the case of this unknown, Scott McHarg designed the
                pattern for us and<br>
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              provided scoresheets as well as the Aresti. The scoresheet
              identified that<br>
              roll on a horizontal line as a slow roll.<br>
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                I don't know any other way. &nbsp;Aresti for Sportsman and
                Advanced shows the<br>
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              same roll but the descriptions differ.<br>
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                John<br>
                On 12/14/2012 10:31 AM, J N Hiller wrote:<br>
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                  I'll ask here because others may be interested.<br>
                  <br>
                  I got impatient waiting fore the November K-Factor and
                  began reading the<br>
                  E-version.<br>
                  <br>
                  Following the "Rocky Mountain Fall pattern Challenge
                  Unknown Sequence"<br>
                  Aresti diagram #7 I assume is a slow roll but the roll
                  symbol is the same<br>
                  for an aileron roll. I don't know that IAC flies two
                  different roll<br>
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              rates.<br>
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                  Is there any way to identify these two different rolls
                  in the diagrams we<br>
                  use?<br>
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                  Jim Hiller<br>
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