<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV>It all depends on what wins and who is flying it ! Lets say for example,&nbsp;any one of the top ten pilots wins the world championships with a&nbsp;YS powered bi-plane equipped with retracts and counter rotating props. There's going to be a lot of used&nbsp;fixed gear electric powered monoplanes on the market !&nbsp; <IMG src="http://mail.yimg.com/nq/mc/1_0_0/mesg/tsmileys2/04.gif"><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 12/9/12, Dave Harmon <I>&lt;k6xyz@sbcglobal.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Dave Harmon &lt;k6xyz@sbcglobal.net&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Retracts?<BR>To: "'General pattern discussion'" &lt;nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org&gt;<BR>Date: Sunday, December 9, 2012, 3:18 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>I love em' both....<BR><BR>Dave Harmon<BR>NSRCA 586<BR>K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net<BR>Sperry, Ok.<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A href="http://us.mc1408.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> [mailto:<A href="http://us.mc1408.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] On Behalf Of <A href="http://us.mc1408.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=shinden1@cox.net" ymailto="mailto:shinden1@cox.net">shinden1@cox.net</A><BR>Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 8:54 PM<BR>To: General pattern discussion<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Retracts?<BR><BR>Well, there goes that excuse ! :)<BR>Bryan<BR>---- Ryan Smith &lt;<A
 href="http://us.mc1408.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=smaragdz@comcast.net" ymailto="mailto:smaragdz@comcast.net">smaragdz@comcast.net</A>&gt; wrote: <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Sent from my iPhone<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; On Dec 8, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Astropattern &lt;<A href="http://us.mc1408.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=astropattern@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:astropattern@yahoo.com">astropattern@yahoo.com</A>&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Also because as the engines/motors evolved more power, the props got longer and the need for longer ground clearance was going beyond what single-wire retracts could handle.<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; John<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Sent from my iPad<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; On Dec 8, 2012, at 7:32 PM, "Dave Harmon" &lt;<A href="http://us.mc1408.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=k6xyz@sbcglobal.net" ymailto="mailto:k6xyz@sbcglobal.net">k6xyz@sbcglobal.net</A>&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; ….and weight.<BR>&gt;
 &gt;&gt;&nbsp; <BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; Dave Harmon<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; NSRCA 586<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; Sperry, Ok.<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;&nbsp; <BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; From: <A href="http://us.mc1408.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> [mailto:<A href="http://us.mc1408.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>] On Behalf Of PhilS.<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 7:10 PM<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; To: Mark Aulfinger; General pattern discussion<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Retracts?<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;&nbsp; <BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; I think it has to do with the new style of flying -- slower, and especially trying to keep the down lines no faster than
 the horizontal lines.&nbsp; Dirty airframes provide more drag.&nbsp; Also, no retracts leads to less mechanical complexity, and one less point of failure.&nbsp; But, I think the drag thingy is the main point...<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; Phil Spelt, KCRC President<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; AMA 1294 Scientific Leader Member<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; SPA 177 Board Member<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; (865)435-1476v, (865)604-0541c<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; On 12/8/2012 7:41 PM, Mark Aulfinger wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; Hi All,<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; Long time lurker on this message board. Wanted to ask why modern <BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; pattern planes don't have retracts? There's no doubt a good reason <BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; that no one uses them anymore. Just curious why...I like the looks of a plane with the gear tucked away.<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; Thanks in advance for any replies,<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; Mark<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;&nbsp; <BR>&gt;
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