<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>More so, it's about whatever turns your crank. There's no accounting for individual preference or willpower, regardless of whether it is simplest, easiest to build, light enough, most competitive, or even still available.</div><div>Just makes it interesting.</div><div><br></div><div>Very wise old pattern flier once told me..."you are competitive if you practice and if you can keep your s*** together for six rounds"...of course, in the days of 2-strokes, 4-strokes, retracts, fuel pumps, etc, it was harder to keep it together because there was so much more to go wrong.</div><div><br></div><div>The planes we have today are what they are because they are simpler and more reliable, while taking advantage of better power to gain some aerodynamic advantages, and in some cases afford us the ability to ignore the effects what used to be seen as a disadvantage, or turn them into an advantage (ie; fixed gear).</div><div><br></div><div>John<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Dec 8, 2012, at 10:51 PM, Robert Gainey <<a href="mailto:ruddercable@yahoo.com">ruddercable@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><div>It all depends on what wins and who is flying it ! Lets say for example, any one of the top ten pilots wins the world championships with a YS powered bi-plane equipped with retracts and counter rotating props. There's going to be a lot of used fixed gear electric powered monoplanes on the market ! <img src="http://mail.yimg.com/nq/mc/1_0_0/mesg/tsmileys2/04.gif"><br><br>--- On <b>Sun, 12/9/12, Dave Harmon <i><<a href="mailto:k6xyz@sbcglobal.net">k6xyz@sbcglobal.net</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><br>From: Dave Harmon <<a href="mailto:k6xyz@sbcglobal.net">k6xyz@sbcglobal.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Retracts?<br>To: "'General pattern discussion'" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Date: Sunday, December 9, 2012, 3:18 AM<br><br>
<div class="plainMail">I love em' both....<br><br>Dave Harmon<br>NSRCA 586<br>K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net<br>Sperry, Ok.<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="http://us.mc1408.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a href="http://us.mc1408.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of <a href="http://us.mc1408.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=shinden1@cox.net" ymailto="mailto:shinden1@cox.net">shinden1@cox.net</a><br>Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 8:54 PM<br>To: General pattern discussion<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Retracts?<br><br>Well, there goes that excuse ! :)<br>Bryan<br>---- Ryan Smith <<a href="http://us.mc1408.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=smaragdz@comcast.net" ymailto="mailto:smaragdz@comcast.net">smaragdz@comcast.net</a>> wrote: <br>> <br>> <br>> Sent from my iPhone<br>> <br>> On Dec 8, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Astropattern <<a href="http://us.mc1408.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=astropattern@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:astropattern@yahoo.com">astropattern@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> > Also because as the engines/motors evolved more power, the props got longer and the need for longer ground clearance was going beyond what single-wire retracts could handle.<br>> > <br>> > John<br>> > <br>> > Sent from my iPad<br>> > <br>> > On Dec 8, 2012, at 7:32 PM, "Dave Harmon" <<a href="http://us.mc1408.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=k6xyz@sbcglobal.net" ymailto="mailto:k6xyz@sbcglobal.net">k6xyz@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:<br>> > <br>> >> ….and weight.<br>>
>> <br>> >> Dave Harmon<br>> >> NSRCA 586<br>> >> K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net<br>> >> Sperry, Ok.<br>> >> <br>> >> From: <a href="http://us.mc1408.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a href="http://us.mc1408.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of PhilS.<br>> >> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 7:10 PM<br>> >> To: Mark Aulfinger; General pattern discussion<br>> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Retracts?<br>> >> <br>> >> I think it has to do with the new style of flying -- slower, and especially trying to keep the down lines no faster than
the horizontal lines. Dirty airframes provide more drag. Also, no retracts leads to less mechanical complexity, and one less point of failure. But, I think the drag thingy is the main point...<br>> >> <br>> >> Phil Spelt, KCRC President<br>> >> AMA 1294 Scientific Leader Member<br>> >> SPA 177 Board Member<br>> >> (865)435-1476v, (865)604-0541c<br>> >> <br>> >> On 12/8/2012 7:41 PM, Mark Aulfinger wrote:<br>> >> Hi All,<br>> >> <br>> >> Long time lurker on this message board. Wanted to ask why modern <br>> >> pattern planes don't have retracts? There's no doubt a good reason <br>> >> that no one uses them anymore. Just curious why...I like the looks of a plane with the gear tucked away.<br>> >> <br>> >> Thanks in advance for any replies,<br>> >> Mark<br>> >> <br>> >> <br>>
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