<div>Larry,</div><div> </div><div>I don't know the mechanics, I just know the result. Trust me. You take your set up (BTW, I run a Himax with a 21 X 14) and run Sky lipo 4,400 20C's versus Sky lipo 4,400 40C's and you will feel (see) a major difference. There have been conversations on RC Groups about this very same subject. Mike Mueller was saying he flew better with his older packs that weren't as hot. I can tell, you it "does" make a difference...why, don't know. </div>
<div> </div><div>I am currently running a Jeti 99. I also use an SD10G so I will get you my throttle curve points to give you a starting place. As mentioned, with every ESC you will most likely need a different curve. </div>
<div> </div><div> </div><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Larry Diamond <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ldiamond@diamondrc.com" target="_blank">ldiamond@diamondrc.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote">
<div><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Interesting point... I don't understand how changing from 20C to 40C pack makes a difference using the same Motor and ESC combo. If it's battery heaics,t, my electronics background would tell me the pack is probably being dicharged too deep. Not good for the life of a battery.</span></div>
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<div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent"><span>I suspect the result of not changing the Motor/ESC and only changing the battery will reult in a shorter battery life; and, over loading the power plant which will probably result in damaging the ESC and/or the Motor.</span></div>
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<div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent"><span>I could be wrong, cause I really have no experience with electric power set ups in planes. I just don't understand the logic going from 20C to 40C and the result being "too hot for intermediate".</span></div>
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<div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent"><span>It wouldn't surprise me to see Masters or FAI having a higher power set up, like 3,500 to 4,000+ watts. Then depending on the max current draw, 40C may make sense.</span></div>
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<div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent"><span>My set up will be about 2,700 to 3,000 watts based on specs... It may not be sufficient for Masters or FAI.</span></div>
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<div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent"><span>Perhaps this will turn out to be a good constructive <var></var>discussion for a number of people like me, but I'm curious as to other opinions who have practicle knowledge.</span></div>
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<div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;background-color:transparent"><span>Larry Diamond</span></div>
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<div style="margin:5px 0px;padding:0px;border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);line-height:0;font-size:0px;min-height:0px" readonly></div><b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Patrick Harris <<a href="mailto:harris7148@gmail.com" target="_blank">harris7148@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, December 7, 2012 2:02 PM<br>
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<div>You have received all good advice. One thing to keep in mind, is you are not going to be able to fly two full sequences with pretty much any setup. With the Himax in a Monolog flying Intermediate, 20C's are going to be perfect. With 20C's and good throttle management you are going to be able to fly the full Intermediate and maybe four or five more maneuvers. If you go up to 40C, you will find the Himax way to hot for Intermediate, and you won't add that much flying time. </div>
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<div>Another thing about the Himax is it really needs an aggressive throttle curve on the bottom. If you just fly it out of the box it will have zip for low end and nuts for high end all at about mid throttle. On the low end, you will just keep pushing and pushing and nothing seems to happen until you hit mid throttle and it will go nuts. The best throttle curve on my Himax looks like a snake. It ramps up really fast on the low end, tappers off at mid throttle and then heads back up on the high end, but you need to work it out for your set up. Trust me, spending a good amount of time getting this right is going to pay big dividends. If you don't, your uplines are going to be way too hot.</div>
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<div>Hey Larry,<br><br>As everyone is telling you, the BIG difference between what you're proposing and what you're accustomed to with Glg to below is that you'll fly 90% of your sequence at half throttle. Not figuratively half throttle... but literally half, or below. Even a vertical upline does not need full motor on these setups. Flying intermediate even less so. Also, at full throttle you'll likely only pull about 75amps, so even 15C batteries would get the job done, but I would stick with 20 and higher.<br>
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<br><br><br><br>On Dec 7, 2012, at 1:37 PM, Larry Diamond wrote:<br><br>OK, play nice... Never dealt with electrics before... I could be way off base, but here is a stab at it...<br><br>Is my math flawed?<br><br>Motor - Himax 6330-210 F3A Motor (210KV)<br>
ESC - Phoenix Ice 80HV - New V2 Version<br>Battery 10s - 37VDC<br><br>Plane - 2M Monolog<br><br>Max power range is about ~2,700 to ~3,000 watts with this set up...<br><br>Calculated Battery Discharge Rate = 80Amps (ESC rating) divided by 3,500mAh (battery capacity) = 22.9C<br>
<br>Based on this math I suspect that a 30C dicharge rate is good
on paper... additional discharge performane = $$$ and I don't want to spend money on battery performance I don't need...<br><br>Class - Intermediate<br><br>What is the recommended battery capacity and discharge rate...?<br>
<br>I understand the many variables associated with the answer like, prop size, temps, wind, throttle control, yada, yada, yada...<br><br>I would like to fly the Intermediate sequence a couple time without having to refuel electrons...<br>
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