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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Jim,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>thanks very much for all you have done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Mike <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Quinn<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 04, 2012 8:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA Bylaw changes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi Marty,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Thanks for your comments. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Putting meeting minutes inthe KFactor is a great idea. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I presume we will start doing that with the next board
meeting and the next KFactor.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Most of all I would like to say that all officers are
firstly members, just like every other member of the NSRCA.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>You are correct that almost all of us are not involved in
"actual" elections because for the past 10 or more years none of us
have had a second candidate running against us for the same position.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>As your current President I strongly believe that our
District Vice Presidents are in communication with the members of their
districts and represent them well.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I am very proud of our District Vice Presidents and
Executive Officers as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I believe we are very transparent!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I should take responsibility for making the NSRCA so web
based.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>When I took over as Secretary seven years ago we were in
deep financial trouble.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I was faced with spending hundreds of dollars to send out
first and second notices for renewals.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The there were hundreds of additional dollars to be spent to
confirm a renewal with each member.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I chose to communicate on the internet as often as possible.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I did, however, send out USPS notices to all members who
were not on online.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>When Scott McHarg took over as Secretary two years ago his
fantastic computer skills brought us to a higher level.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Currently we are in good financial shape so spending
$300.00+ for mailing ballots was not a problem.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>That is thanks to those volunteer officers who have given so
much of their time to put us back on a strong financial footing.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Finally, let me apologize to every individual member who is
currently paying his/her dues.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I have not been the best in crossing every
"T" and dotting every "I".<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I've crossed and dotted most, but not them all.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>With all that said, however, I am extremely proud of
our officers I have had the pleasure of serving with these past seven
years.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Jim Quinn<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Marty King <mking46516@yahoo.com><br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Mon, December 3, 2012 11:10:45 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA Bylaw changes</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Thanks Jon, I am sure that many of us appreciate your
stepping up and out to inform the general membership of what is going on.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> I too, think making the governing body transparent is
the wrong way to go. Most of our officials and vp's are in office, not as much
from being elected through the "normal" channels (competitive) as
volunteering to be elected.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>That is simply the way it is in a hobby sport. However, the
representation of the membership suffers. How do members find out what is the
agenda? I am not refering to the actual meeting agenda, but the direction some
want the NSRCA to move. Surveys are good IF the questions are not biased. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>General members need to comment here(the web) or to their
vp's when board discussions turn inward. But, all members, not just those on
the Internet, need to know what they discuss. I am surprised that the board
minutes no longer make it into our general communication tool, the K-Factor. As
small as some vp reports have been (not you Anthony, you fill a column up well)
and the general lack of photos and ads, I am sure there was room for the
minutes.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>In reading through your take on
the articles up for the vote, I agree with your assessment.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Thank you for standing up got the membership! I was about
not to renew next year.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Marty<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>NSRCA 2551<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><br>
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<p class=MsoNormal>King Aero, Inc<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>MJK Consulting<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>
On Dec 3, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Jon Lowe <<a href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com"
target="_blank">jonlowe@aol.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>SInce
the bylaw change ballots have now been sent out, in accordance with the current
bylaws, and since the NSRCA board has failed to provide any
rationale for the changes (if they are going to propose changes, you'd think
they'd own up to why they want to change them), I thought I'd review the
proposed changes here and provide comments. Jim Quinn said that we could
either vote for or against the entire package, or for individual items
within the package. I will review the changes item by item, and provide
what I think is the rationale for the change. As you will see below, I am
recommending voting NO on several of the changes. I have not seen the official
ballot yet and won't until at least Wednesday since I am out of town, so I am
commenting on what was provided in the July 22nd NSRCA Board minutes. Note that
there were several typos in those minutes, and that I have attempted to correct
them where possible.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Article
II, Section I: This would change the business address from the Secretary
to the Treasurer of the club. This is probably ok, since bills to the
club are sent to the business address, and this could prevent delays in
payment. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Article
III, Section I: This is part of the object and purpose of the
Society. It would delete "...in all of its phases." from the
second sentence so it would now read: "To aid, insofar as possible,
the Academny of Model Aeronautics and other AMA activites, to further the
advancement of model aircraft aerobatics." This change appears to be
a clarification change, and should be ok.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Article
V, Section II(b): This appears to clarify the dues payment, and makes
clear that dues should be made payable to NSRCA and not the treasurer. Appears
to be ok.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Article
V, Section III: This would change termination of membership from one
month to three months dues delinquency. I see no reason for this change,
and would commit the club to keep mailing K-Factors to delinquent members for
two more months. At a time when there is a lot of debate on the board
about the expense of the K-Factor, this makes no sense. Recommend voting NO
on this item.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Article
VIII, Section II (c): This change would remove the requirement to mail out
ballots, and changes the wording to allow whatever method the board deems
appropriate for voting, without specifying any method at all for votes to be
taken. This change would also allow votes to be accepted until 10 days
after Dec 31st, IF they were mailed out to members. This change appears
to be why the abortive attempt was made for an electronic vote for officers
this year, which disenfranchised many members who were not aware a vote was
being taken. We do NOT require web access to be a member of NSRCA, and
until we do, we MUST allow for ALL members to vote on officers of NSRCA.
Strongly recomment voting NO on this change. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Article
VIII, Section III (e): This would change voting for District VPs in the
same manner as the method in Article VIII, Section II (c) above. Strongly
recommend voting NO.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Article
VIII, Section III (f): This change was listed as Article VII, Section III (f)
in the Board meeting minutes, which I believe was a typo. This is a
continuation of the change above to Article VIII, Section III(e) on voting
deadlines. Strongly recommend voting NO.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Article
IX, Section I: This removes some unnecessary wording from the first
paragraph of the Communications and Promotions portion of the by-laws. It
appears to be a mistake made when this portion of the bylaws was writen.
Appears to be ok.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Article
IX, Section II: This would remove the requirement for the K-Factor to be
mailed to members. It would have to be "made available to
all members", but doesn't say how. SInce the proposed wording
is unclear, recommend voting NO on this change.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Article
IX, Section III (a): This removes the requirement for a Communications
and Promotions manager appointed by the BOD, and changes that responsibility to
the BOD itself. However, it does not assign that responsibility to anyone
on the board. But it retains the provision for the board to appoint
someone to be that manager. As a result the paragraph appears to contradict
itself. Recommend voting NO on this change since the resulting language
is ambiguous.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Article
IX, Section III (b): This change changes says that the Board
"...shall appoint a Judging Program Manager." It currently says
"...should appoint..." This change appears to be ok.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>In
summary, I believe that there are several problems with the proposed changes,
and recommend that you read them carefully and understand each of the
changes. I'd recommend either voting NO to the whole package, or voting
against the specific changes I've outlined above.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks
for reading.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Jon
Lowe<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Jon</span></span><span
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