Pffff!<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Keith Hoard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com" target="_blank">khoard@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="auto"><div>KEWL. I VOTE FOR SCOTT MCHARG FOR PRESIDENT!!!<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On Dec 3, 2012, at 12:12, Scott McHarg <<a href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com" target="_blank">scmcharg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Keith,<div> I promise you can get a cell phone. There are several vendors you can pick from. Two-year contract will suffice with the $35 activation fee because everyone else is doing it.</div>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 11:42 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com" target="_blank">khoard@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>I’m still waiting for one of the candidates to promise me a cell phone . .
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="ldiamond@diamondrc.com" href="mailto:ldiamond@diamondrc.com" target="_blank">Larry Diamond</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 03, 2012 11:41 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">General pattern discussion</a>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA Bylaw
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<div><span>I have not been following
this thread completely and my remarks here or only for the humor
side...</span></div>
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<div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><span>In response to Tony's e-mail... I don't understand your
logic in asking the questions below... It appears to be the same process that
brought about Obama Care... Pass it or I (Prez) will and then your can read the
details later...LOL</span></div>
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<div style="font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:transparent;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif"><span>Ok... I haven't paid NSRCA dues for sometime, so I really
shouldn't share an opinion here...<var></var></span></div>
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Anthony Frackowiak <<a href="mailto:frackowiak@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">frackowiak@sbcglobal.net</a>><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">To:</span></b> General pattern discussion
<<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, December 3, 2012 10:45
AM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA Bylaw changes<br></font></div>
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<div>I am really disturbed that I have to join this email list, survey the
Facebook page and monitor the NSRCA website to find information that should have
been published in the only "official" form of communication that the NSRCA has,
the K-Factor.
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<div>Having a vote on changing this organizations Bylaws without making
available a proper discussion by the entire membership is improper. Each change
in the Bylaws should have been published in the K-Factor in the exact wording
being proposed and a rationale for the change expressed. Sending out a ballot as
the only source of info for the proposed changes is also improper.</div>
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<div>I asked both my District VP and the VP to not send out the Bylaws balloting
until after the election. I don't understand why the BOD feel that the change to
the Bylaws is absolutely necessary at this time. Why not get the election
completed then finish in a proper manner the Bylaws revision? </div>
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<div>I totally agree with Jon Lowe. And I totally think it sucks that I have to
wade through everything on this email list to get this info! </div>
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<div>Tony Frackowiak <br>
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<div>On Dec 3, 2012, at 8:28 AM, <a href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">jonlowe@aol.com</a>
wrote:</div><br>
<blockquote type="cite">I asked Jim to publish the changes as well as
rationale but he refused. Very opaque to the membership. <br><br>I
gave my reason for voting against the change in the dues grace period.
If you re-read it, it is there. <br><br>Jon<br><br>
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McHarg" <<a href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">scmcharg@gmail.com</a>><br>Date: Mon,
Dec 3, 2012 11:14 am<br>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA Bylaw
changes<br>To: "General pattern discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><br></div>Gentlemen,
<div> For clarification purposes only, Jon Lowe is incorrect about
Article V Section III. Currently, the By-Laws say that any member who is
delinquent for one calendar month will automatically have their membership
services terminated. The change makes membership delinquency 3 months
which allows us to continue sending Kfactors to individuals who may have
forgotten to pay their dues in time. The way it reads right now,
Kfactors should be terminated along with affiliation at the end of
January. We have extended the grace period to 3 months (the end of
March). We were trying to give you more, not less. I don't
understand why he would recommend to vote no on this. I would suggest
comparing the ballots to the By-Laws and make your own decision instead of
using minutes to decide what was intended. As hurried as the meetings
are, I admit, I make mistakes as I have to take all the information down
quickly and make them into minutes. This is exactly why you should wait
until you receive the "official" changes instead of jumping to
conclusions. From what I saw that Jim was sending out, items are much
more defined than in the minutes.</div>
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<div>On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Jon Lowe
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">jonlowe@aol.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent">SInce the bylaw change
ballots have now been sent out, in accordance with the current bylaws, and
since the NSRCA board has failed to provide any rationale for the changes
(if they are going to propose changes, you'd think they'd own up to why they
want to change them), I thought I'd review the proposed changes here and
provide comments. Jim Quinn said that we could either vote for or
against the entire package, or for individual items within the
package. I will review the changes item by item, and provide what I
think is the rationale for the change. As you will see below, I am
recommending voting NO on several of the changes. I have not seen the
official ballot yet and won't until at least Wednesday since I am out of
town, so I am commenting on what was provided in the July 22nd NSRCA Board
minutes. Note that there were several typos in those minutes, and that I
have attempted to correct them where possible.</font></div>
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<div>Article II, Section I: This would change the business address
from the Secretary to the Treasurer of the club. This is probably ok,
since bills to the club are sent to the business address, and this could
prevent delays in payment. </div>
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<div>Article III, Section I: This is part of the object and purpose of
the Society. It would delete "...in all of its phases." from the
second sentence so it would now read: "To aid, insofar as possible,
the Academny of Model Aeronautics and other AMA activites, to further the
advancement of model aircraft aerobatics." This change appears to be a
clarification change, and should be ok.</div>
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<div>Article V, Section II(b): This appears to clarify the dues
payment, and makes clear that dues should be made payable to NSRCA and not
the treasurer. Appears to be ok.</div>
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<div>Article V, Section III: This would change termination of
membership from one month to three months dues delinquency. I see no
reason for this change, and would commit the club to keep mailing K-Factors
to delinquent members for two more months. At a time when there is a
lot of debate on the board about the expense of the K-Factor, this makes no
sense. Recommend voting NO on this item.</div>
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<div>Article VIII, Section II (c): This change would remove the requirement
to mail out ballots, and changes the wording to allow whatever method the
board deems appropriate for voting, without specifying any method at all for
votes to be taken. This change would also allow votes to be accepted
until 10 days after Dec 31st, IF they were mailed out to members. This
change appears to be why the abortive attempt was made for an electronic
vote for officers this year, which disenfranchised many members who were not
aware a vote was being taken. We do NOT require web access to be a
member of NSRCA, and until we do, we MUST allow for ALL members to vote on
officers of NSRCA. Strongly recomment voting NO on this change. </div>
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<div>Article VIII, Section III (e): This would change voting for
District VPs in the same manner as the method in Article VIII, Section II
(c) above. Strongly recommend voting NO.</div>
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<div>Article VIII, Section III (f): This change was listed as Article VII,
Section III (f) in the Board meeting minutes, which I believe was a
typo. This is a continuation of the change above to Article VIII,
Section III(e) on voting deadlines. Strongly recommend voting
NO.</div>
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<div>Article IX, Section I: This removes some unnecessary wording from
the first paragraph of the Communications and Promotions portion of the
by-laws. It appears to be a mistake made when this portion of the
bylaws was writen. Appears to be ok.</div>
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<div>Article IX, Section II: This would remove the requirement for the
K-Factor to be mailed to members. It would have to be "made available
to all members", but doesn't say how. SInce the proposed wording is
unclear, recommend voting NO on this change.</div>
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<div>Article IX, Section III (a): This removes the requirement for a
Communications and Promotions manager appointed by the BOD, and changes that
responsibility to the BOD itself. However, it does not assign that
responsibility to anyone on the board. But it retains the provision
for the board to appoint someone to be that manager. As a result the
paragraph appears to contradict itself. Recommend voting NO on this
change since the resulting language is ambiguous.</div>
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<div>Article IX, Section III (b): This change changes says that the
Board "...shall appoint a Judging Program Manager." It currently says
"...should appoint..." This change appears to be ok.</div>
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<div>In summary, I believe that there are several problems with the proposed
changes, and recommend that you read them carefully and understand each of
the changes. I'd recommend either voting NO to the whole package, or
voting against the specific changes I've outlined above.</div>
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<div>Thanks for reading.</div>
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<div>Jon Lowe</div><span><font color="#888888">
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