<html><head><base href="x-msg://632/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Well said Jerry. I usually contact the NSRCA site to look up the contest schedule and registration. Less frequently about maneuver schedules and judging. I get my NSRCA business information from the K-Factor<div><br></div><div>Ron</div><div><br><div><div>On Nov 20, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Jerry Stebbins wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font size="2" face="Arial">Unfortunately, it makes an unwarranted assumption that a majority of the Membershp visit the website frequently enough to use it as their principal means of getting ongoing key information. Many of us visit as we need, not because we "have to" each week to keep up with what is going on. I for one still use the K Factor as my principle interface to find out what is going on. Digital forces me to committ/spend time in front of my moniter until I have read it all, and it is hard to allocate that kind of time, when I can pick up and read the printed copy as I have time and the inclination.</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font size="2" face="Arial">If you do go all digital I bet there will be fewer read it as consistently, and thoroughly as they do now.</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font size="2" face="Arial">Having been there, I know how easy it is to miss stuff, so take my comments in that light.</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font size="2" face="Arial">I just happen to agree with Jon that until NSRCA goes all digital, the printed copy is where most will get, and expect, their info. </font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font size="2" face="Arial">Jerry</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><blockquote style="border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="jaqfly@prodigy.net" href="mailto:jaqfly@prodigy.net">Jim Quinn</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:59 PM</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Executive Board voting</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Very well said, Scott.<br> </div>Jim Quinn<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Scott McHarg <<a href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com">scmcharg@gmail.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mon, November 19, 2012 10:18:49 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Executive Board voting<br></font><br><p dir="ltr">Requests for nominations were posted on the home page of the NSRCA website for over one month. Board minutes from September 27 listed the nominations. The Facebook page also reminded participants about turning in nominations. I am uncertain about the list but I will also check to see if something was sent out to the list. If we missed this list, it was a mistake by the board. I think I speak for every single individual that volunteers to fill these positions....there is nothing more that we'd rather see than more participation in helping, volunteering and contributing to our organization. Many times, these positions are filled because no one else wants to. </p><p dir="ltr"><br></p><p dir="ltr">Scott </p><div class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Nov 19, 2012 8:59 PM, "Jon Lowe" <<a href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com">jonlowe@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; "><font color="black" size="3" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="background-color: transparent; ">I'm a little concerned about the nomination process this year. I didn't remember seeing an announcement on this list that nominations were being solicited, so I did a search in the list archives. Didn't find anything. Then I looked at the online K-Factors. Hmmm, a brief mention in Jim Quinn's column in the October issue (which I still haven't received in the mail), and nothing in the November issue that I could find (I haven't received that one either). I haven't found anything else.</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I did find a lot of griping by the current NSRCA board members in the online November K-Factor about an alleged lack of transparency in the Contest Board procedures for the proposed rules changes that were all voted down. I guess I see a lack of tranparency here for the NSRCA board nominations. The first I knew that anyone had been nominated was today when I received the email here asking us to vote. In years past, we gave the nominees an opportunity to provide their thoughts on why they should be elected. Whatever happened to that?</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Did I miss something? </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Oh, and about the Contest Board. Their process is well documented by the AMA and follows a strict time table. We all had the opportunity to provide inputs and cross proposals after the initial vote. We also had the opportunity to talk to the CB members, and I did talk to a couple of them. The CB members are mostly active members of the pattern community, are well known, and are charted by the AMA, not the NSRCA, to look at rules proposals to benefit all AMA participants, not just NSRCA members. Problems with the NSRCA proposals were hashed out here, and the submitters had the opportunity to fix issues during the cross proposal process. How much follow-up contact did the NSRCA board initiate with the CB during the process? Were any cross proposals submitted?</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Flame suit on...</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; clear: both; "><font color="black" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font color="black" face="arial"><span style="font-size: medium; ">Jon</span></font></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 10pt; ">-----Original Message-----<br>From: Peter Vogel <<a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>><br>To: General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Sent: Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:55 pm<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Executive Board voting<br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I confess I don't understand why folks would vote for someone who didn't want to be bothered to put their name in the very small hat... I'd rather vote for someone committed to doing a good job in the position... <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">For me that means Jon Carter, the fact that I know him and know his level of commitment to the sport and the quality of his thinking, not to mention his coaching helps, but I don't think it would matter if he were on the east coast and I were here in CA, because he stepped up as the sole volunteer for a difficult position amongst some of the most compulsive-obsessive freaks (I count myself in that description) in RC...</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Peter+</div><div class="gmail_extra" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br><br><div class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Scott McHarg<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com">scmcharg@gmail.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; ">If a guy who wins the popular vote that is a write-in and that person accepts the nomination, I would assume that person wins and takes the office. If the write-in declines, it would defer to the person with the next largest amount of votes.<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div class="gmail_extra" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br><br><div class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Ronald Van Putte<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vanputter@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vanputter@gmail.com">vanputter@gmail.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; ">So if a guy whose name is not an "accepted nominee" wins, we start voting for that office over? Or does the election process defer to an "accepted nominee"?<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Ron</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Nov 19, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Jon Lowe wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><font color="black" size="3" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="background-color: transparent; ">Because someone wrote them in. I like the choice.</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; clear: both; "><font color="black" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font color="black" face="arial"><span style="font-size: medium; ">Jon</span></font></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 10pt; ">-----Original Message-----<br>From: Ronald Van Putte <<a href="mailto:vanputter@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:vanputter@gmail.com">vanputter@gmail.com</a>><br>To: General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Sent: Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:52 pm<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Executive Board voting<br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">If some are not "accepted nominations", why are their names on the ballot? <div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Ron</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Nov 19, 2012, at 6:44 PM, Scott McHarg wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">Good evening guys,<div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> During the voting process, there have been a few write-in votes. This is GREAT! Please, keep in mind, however, that write-in votes are not truly accepted nominations. Some of the write-in votes are for people that have already voted for others. In other words, they probably don't even know they have been nominated. There is absolutely nothing wrong voting for write-in candidates but you may want to make sure they know they have been nominated. We are trying to keep up with the voting to place "Write-In candidate" next to those names. Due to a restriction in the software, write-in candidates will display in the choices. The following are accepted nominations by the nominees. All others are write-ins.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">President - Jon Carter</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">VP - Don Atwood</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Secretary - Scott McHarg</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Treasurer - John Gayer</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Warmest Regards and Happy Thanksgiving,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Scott<br clear="all"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255); "><font size="4" style="font-family: 'comic sans ms', sans-serif; ">Scott A. 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