Right on the money Jerry!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Jerry Stebbins <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Jastebbins@att.net" target="_blank">Jastebbins@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial">Unfortunately, it makes an unwarranted assumption
that a majority of the Membershp visit the website frequently enough to use it
as their principal means of getting ongoing key information. Many of us visit as
we need, not because we "have to" each week to keep up with what is going on. I
for one still use the K Factor as my principle interface to find out what is
going on. Digital forces me to committ/spend time in front of my moniter
until I have read it all, and it is hard to allocate that kind of time, when I
can pick up and read the printed copy as I have time and the
inclination.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">If you do go all digital I bet there will
be fewer read it as consistently, and thoroughly as they do
now.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Having been there, I know how easy it is to miss
stuff, so take my comments in that light. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">I just happen to agree with Jon that until NSRCA
goes all digital, the printed copy is where most will get, and expect,
their info. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Jerry</font></div>
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<a title="jaqfly@prodigy.net" href="mailto:jaqfly@prodigy.net" target="_blank">Jim Quinn</a>
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<div style="font:10pt/normal arial;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:59
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Board voting</div>
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<div>Very well said, Scott.<br> </div>Jim Quinn
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Scott McHarg <<a href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com" target="_blank">scmcharg@gmail.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Mon, November 19, 2012 10:18:49
PM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Executive Board voting<br></font><br>
<p dir="ltr">Requests for nominations were posted on the home page of the NSRCA
website for over one month. Board minutes from September 27 listed the
nominations. The Facebook page also reminded participants about turning
in nominations. I am uncertain about the list but I will also check to
see if something was sent out to the list. If we missed this list, it
was a mistake by the board. I think I speak for every single individual
that volunteers to fill these positions....there is nothing more that we'd
rather see than more participation in helping, volunteering and contributing
to our organization. Many times, these positions are filled because no
one else wants to. </p>
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<p dir="ltr">Scott </p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 19, 2012 8:59 PM, "Jon Lowe" <<a href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">jonlowe@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote"><font color="black" size="3" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">
<div><font style="background-color:transparent" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm a little concerned about the
nomination process this year. I didn't remember seeing an announcement
on this list that nominations were being solicited, so I did a search in the
list archives. Didn't find anything. Then I looked at the online
K-Factors. Hmmm, a brief mention in Jim Quinn's column in the October
issue (which I still haven't received in the mail), and nothing in the
November issue that I could find (I haven't received that one either).
I haven't found anything else.</font></div>
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<div>I did find a lot of griping by the current NSRCA board members in the
online November K-Factor about an alleged lack of transparency in the
Contest Board procedures for the proposed rules changes that were all voted
down. I guess I see a lack of tranparency here for the NSRCA board
nominations. The first I knew that anyone had been nominated was today
when I received the email here asking us to vote. In years past,
we gave the nominees an opportunity to provide their thoughts on why they
should be elected. Whatever happened to that?</div>
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<div>Did I miss something? </div>
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<div>Oh, and about the Contest Board. Their process is well documented
by the AMA and follows a strict time table. We all had the opportunity
to provide inputs and cross proposals after the initial vote. We also
had the opportunity to talk to the CB members, and I did talk to a couple of
them. The CB members are mostly active members of the pattern
community, are well known, and are charted by the AMA, not the NSRCA, to
look at rules proposals to benefit all AMA participants, not just NSRCA
members. Problems with the NSRCA proposals were hashed out here, and
the submitters had the opportunity to fix issues during the cross proposal
process. How much follow-up contact did the NSRCA board initiate
with the CB during the process? Were any cross proposals
submitted?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Flame suit on...</div>
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<div style="clear:both"><font color="black" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font color="black" face="arial"><span style="font-size:medium">Jon</span></font></font></div>
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Message-----<br>From: Peter Vogel <<a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>><br>To:
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<div>I confess I don't understand why folks would vote for someone who
didn't want to be bothered to put their name in the very small hat...
I'd rather vote for someone committed to doing a good job in the
position...
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<div>For me that means Jon Carter, the fact that I know him and know his
level of commitment to the sport and the quality of his thinking, not to
mention his coaching helps, but I don't think it would matter if he were on
the east coast and I were here in CA, because he stepped up as the sole
volunteer for a difficult position amongst some of the most
compulsive-obsessive freaks (I count myself in that description) in
RC...</div>
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<div>Peter+</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Scott McHarg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">scmcharg@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote">If a guy who wins the popular vote that is a write-in
and that person accepts the nomination, I would assume that person wins
and takes the office. If the write-in declines, it would defer to
the person with the next largest amount of votes.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Ronald Van Putte
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vanputter@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">vanputter@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">So if a guy whose name is not an
"accepted nominee" wins, we start voting for that office over? Or
does the election process defer to an "accepted nominee"?
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<div>Ron</div>
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<div>On Nov 19, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Jon Lowe wrote:</div><br>
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<div><font style="background-color:transparent" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Because someone wrote them
in. I like the choice.</font></div>
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<div style="clear:both"><font color="black" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font color="black" face="arial"><span style="font-size:medium">Jon</span></font></font></div>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt">-----Original
Message-----<br>From: Ronald Van Putte <<a href="mailto:vanputter@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">vanputter@gmail.com</a>><br>To:
General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Sent:
Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:52 pm<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Executive
Board voting<br><br>
<div>If some are not "accepted nominations", why are their names on
the ballot?
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<div>Ron</div>
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<div>
<div>On Nov 19, 2012, at 6:44 PM, Scott McHarg wrote:</div><br>
<blockquote type="cite">Good evening guys,
<div> During the voting process, there have been a few
write-in votes. This is GREAT! Please, keep in mind,
however, that write-in votes are not truly accepted nominations.
Some of the write-in votes are for people that have already
voted for others. In other words, they probably don't even
know they have been nominated. There is absolutely nothing
wrong voting for write-in candidates but you may want to make sure
they know they have been nominated. We are trying to keep up
with the voting to place "Write-In candidate" next to those names.
Due to a restriction in the software, write-in candidates will
display in the choices. The following are accepted nominations
by the nominees. All others are write-ins.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>President - Jon Carter</div>
<div>VP - Don Atwood</div>
<div>Secretary - Scott McHarg</div>
<div>Treasurer - John Gayer</div>
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<div>Warmest Regards and Happy Thanksgiving,</div>
<div>Scott<br clear="all">
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