<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>The nov 8 minutes say they need to be put up for voting as soon as possible, they've been on the site for quite sometime. <br><br>Sent from my iPhone5</div><div><br>On Nov 19, 2012, at 8:14 PM, Jon Lowe <<a href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com">jonlowe@aol.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><font color="black" size="3" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">
<div><font style="background-color: transparent;" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">The NSRCA bylaws state, in part:</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Verdana">"a. Candidates for office will be researched and proposed by a Chairperson and/or committee selected by the President of the NSRCA. This Chairperson or Committee will be comprised of a member or members of the NSRCA who are not currently serving as elected or selected board members of the NSRCA."</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Verdana">Who was the chairperson/committee, not comprised of board members that Jim selected? I can't find anything on this.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Verdana">Neither the September, nor the November Board meeting minutes make mention of the bylaw change allowing online voting having been voted on. In the September K-Factor, Jim makes brief mention of voting on the changes online. Did this take place? If so, when did voting open and when did it close? How many people voted and what were the results? When will the complete new bylaws be published, in full, as required by Section X?</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Verdana">I guess from what Scott wrote, I now have to look at the website, this list, Facebook, and the K-Factor every day because I might miss something. I also notice that the Nov 8th minutes say that nominations need to be put on the website as soon as possible, so I guess they weren't up before then.</font> <br>
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From: Atwood, Mark <<a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>><br>
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Sent: Mon, Nov 19, 2012 9:29 pm<br>
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<pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt>Jon makes a good point though that not everyone in the NSRCA has gone completely
Digital. Like him, I've yet to see an October K-Factor, much less a November
one. I'm online for work all day, (as I am now) so the last thing I want is to
read an online mag.
Not throwing stones, since I'm painfully familiar with the role of a volunteer.
But in the future we need to get the word out to ALL NSRCA members. Not just
those with an online presence. At least not until we make that a requirement
for membership.
So what is the scoop on the K-Factors??
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On Nov 19, 2012, at 10:18 PM, Scott McHarg wrote:
Requests for nominations were posted on the home page of the NSRCA website for
over one month. Board minutes from September 27 listed the nominations. The
Facebook page also reminded participants about turning in nominations. I am
uncertain about the list but I will also check to see if something was sent out
to the list. If we missed this list, it was a mistake by the board. I think I
speak for every single individual that volunteers to fill these
positions....there is nothing more that we'd rather see than more participation
in helping, volunteering and contributing to our organization. Many times,
these positions are filled because no one else wants to.
Scott
On Nov 19, 2012 8:59 PM, "Jon Lowe" <<a href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com">jonlowe@aol.com</a><<a href="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com?">mailto:jonlowe@aol.com</a>>>
wrote:
I'm a little concerned about the nomination process this year. I didn't
remember seeing an announcement on this list that nominations were being
solicited, so I did a search in the list archives. Didn't find anything. Then
I looked at the online K-Factors. Hmmm, a brief mention in Jim Quinn's column
in the October issue (which I still haven't received in the mail), and nothing
in the November issue that I could find (I haven't received that one either). I
haven't found anything else.
I did find a lot of griping by the current NSRCA board members in the online
November K-Factor about an alleged lack of transparency in the Contest Board
procedures for the proposed rules changes that were all voted down. I guess I
see a lack of tranparency here for the NSRCA board nominations. The first I
knew that anyone had been nominated was today when I received the email here
asking us to vote. In years past, we gave the nominees an opportunity to
provide their thoughts on why they should be elected. Whatever happened to
that?
Did I miss something?
Oh, and about the Contest Board. Their process is well documented by the AMA
and follows a strict time table. We all had the opportunity to provide inputs
and cross proposals after the initial vote. We also had the opportunity to talk
to the CB members, and I did talk to a couple of them. The CB members are
mostly active members of the pattern community, are well known, and are charted
by the AMA, not the NSRCA, to look at rules proposals to benefit all AMA
participants, not just NSRCA members. Problems with the NSRCA proposals were
hashed out here, and the submitters had the opportunity to fix issues during the
cross proposal process. How much follow-up contact did the NSRCA board initiate
with the CB during the process? Were any cross proposals submitted?
Flame suit on...
Jon
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Sent: Mon, Nov 19, 2012 7:55 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Executive Board voting
I confess I don't understand why folks would vote for someone who didn't want to
be bothered to put their name in the very small hat... I'd rather vote for
someone committed to doing a good job in the position...
For me that means Jon Carter, the fact that I know him and know his level of
commitment to the sport and the quality of his thinking, not to mention his
coaching helps, but I don't think it would matter if he were on the east coast
and I were here in CA, because he stepped up as the sole volunteer for a
difficult position amongst some of the most compulsive-obsessive freaks (I count
myself in that description) in RC...
Peter+
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Scott McHarg <<a href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com">scmcharg@gmail.com</a><<a href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com?">mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com</a>>>
wrote:
If a guy who wins the popular vote that is a write-in and that person accepts
the nomination, I would assume that person wins and takes the office. If the
write-in declines, it would defer to the person with the next largest amount of
votes.
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Ronald Van Putte <<a href="mailto:vanputter@gmail.com">vanputter@gmail.com</a><<a href="mailto:vanputter@gmail.com?">mailto:vanputter@gmail.com</a>>>
wrote:
So if a guy whose name is not an "accepted nominee" wins, we start voting for
that office over? Or does the election process defer to an "accepted nominee"?
Ron
On Nov 19, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Jon Lowe wrote:
Because someone wrote them in. I like the choice.
Jon
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Sent: Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:52 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Executive Board voting
If some are not "accepted nominations", why are their names on the ballot?
Ron
On Nov 19, 2012, at 6:44 PM, Scott McHarg wrote:
Good evening guys,
During the voting process, there have been a few write-in votes. This is
GREAT! Please, keep in mind, however, that write-in votes are not truly
accepted nominations. Some of the write-in votes are for people that have
already voted for others. In other words, they probably don't even know they
have been nominated. There is absolutely nothing wrong voting for write-in
candidates but you may want to make sure they know they have been nominated. We
are trying to keep up with the voting to place "Write-In candidate" next to
those names. Due to a restriction in the software, write-in candidates will
display in the choices. The following are accepted nominations by the nominees.
All others are write-ins.
President - Jon Carter
VP - Don Atwood
Secretary - Scott McHarg
Treasurer - John Gayer
Warmest Regards and Happy Thanksgiving,
Scott
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