<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Uh oh... &nbsp;I hope I didn't post something "out of turn".<div><br></div><div>I thought it had been sent back and was available for public consumption.</div><div><br></div><div>Keep in mind that nothing has truly been passed... &nbsp;the initial vote simply allows things to go to the next step in the process, which is cross proposals. &nbsp;Nothing should really be read into that. &nbsp;</div><div><div>
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<br><div><div>On Apr 24, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Scott McHarg wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="gmail_extra">Mark,<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Nevermind about "where you found that".&nbsp; You're on the board HA!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Scott McHarg <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com" target="_blank">scmcharg@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_extra">Mark,<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Where did you find that?&nbsp; I only see last cycle results.&nbsp; If that's true, they passed the proposal y'all didn't like and failed the one that fell in line with FAI for the electrical circuit break.&nbsp; They also passed through the penalty weight and failed all proposals for increase.&nbsp; Very interesting.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>

<br>Scott</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Mark Atwood <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com" target="_blank">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Already complete. &nbsp; Proposals 2,4,6,7,8 were passed through for the cross proposal stage. &nbsp;<span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div></font></span><div><span><font color="#888888"><br>
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<br><div><div>On Apr 24, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Dave Burton wrote:</div><br><span style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US">

<div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">When is the CB initial vote?<u></u><u></u></span></div>

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<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span>&nbsp;</span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><span>&nbsp;</span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<span>&nbsp;</span><b>On Behalf Of<span>&nbsp;</span></b>Keith Hoard<br>

<b>Sent:</b><span>&nbsp;</span>Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:01 AM<br><b>To:</b><span>&nbsp;</span>General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b><span>&nbsp;</span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules change proposals<u></u><u></u></span></div></div>

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Yup, you gotta store those in separate airtight containers.<br><br>Another question for Scott McHarg . . .<br><br>If I install both an Arming Plug and a Disarming Plug, are they wired in series or parallel?<br clear="all">

<br>Keith Hoard<br>Collierville, TN<br><a href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">khoard@gmail.com</a><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">

<u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 7:33 AM, Bob Richards &lt;<a href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">bob@toprudder.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></div>

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I bought a box of dihedral recently. I had a box of anhedral left over from the 70s (used for stabs back then) and I made the mistake of storing them next to each other. Apparently they cancelled each other out and all I have left now is some crumbled up cardboard.<u></u><u></u></div>

</div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">

Bob R.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><br><br>--- On<span>&nbsp;</span><b>Mon, 4/23/12, Keith Hoard<span>&nbsp;</span><i>&lt;<a href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">khoard@gmail.com</a>&gt;</i></b><span>&nbsp;</span>wrote:<u></u><u></u></div>

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<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><br>From: Keith Hoard &lt;<a href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">khoard@gmail.com</a>&gt;<u></u><u></u></div>

<div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules change proposals<u></u><u></u></div>

</div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">To: "General pattern discussion" &lt;<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>&gt;<u></u><u></u></div>

</div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Date: Monday, April 23, 2012, 6:06 PM<u></u><u></u></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">

<u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><div><div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">The reason I was asking is because I had bought a box of down thrust from Shalimar Hobbies a couple years ago and still have some left over.&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></div>

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If it's now illegal, I need to return what's left for a partial refund.&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">

<u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">The box of right thrust is still shrink wrapped, but I can't find the receipt.&nbsp;<br>

<br>Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><br>On Apr 23, 2012, at 16:44, Ronald Van Putte &lt;<a href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputte@cox.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">vanputte@cox.net</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>

</div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">I've just added an arming plug assembly to my Vanquish. &nbsp;It has the added feature of having the ability to minimize the coriolis acceleration due to precession of the earth and it self adjusts for latitude.<u></u><u></u></div>

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Ron<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">

On Apr 23, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Scott McHarg wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><br>

<br><u></u><u></u></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Only if you use a disarming plug and/or bore another hole in the side of your fuse.&nbsp; I heard something along the lines of the "Hoarder Policy" being written as we speak but only after a survey has been presented.<u></u><u></u></p>

<div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Keith Hoard &lt;<a href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=khoard@gmail.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">khoard@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></div>

<div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">I just added some down thrust to my plane, is that illegal?<br><br>
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</div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><br>On Apr 23, 2012, at 15:54, James Oddino &lt;<a href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joddino@socal.rr.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">joddino@socal.rr.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>

</div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Scott, I don't want to beat this to death but you must be very careful. &nbsp;I could interpret this to disallow Contra Drive prop set ups that automatically cancel the effects of spiral slipstream, torque, gyroscopic precession and P-Factor. &nbsp;What about adding aerodynamic appendages that improve stability and damping? &nbsp;It is not clear why the aerodynamicist should should be given an advantage over the power management guy or the electronics guy. &nbsp;I'll never understand why the variable thrust alignment system was disallowed. &nbsp;<u></u><u></u></div>

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I don't really care what is decided, but if the rule is not well defined it will cause turmoil and new guys thinking about getting into pattern won't like it.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">

<u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Jim<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">

<u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">On Apr 23, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Scott McHarg wrote:<u></u><u></u></div>

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Good Afternoon,<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; First, let's agree that "Engine managment" was not a correct term that we derived from the "old days" and we will fix that (per John Fuqua) assuming it passes the initial vote.&nbsp; Second, let's not lose sight that we are speaking about telemetry and we are speaking of automated functions here, not those that require direct and manual input.&nbsp; The wording is such that engine management systems that COORDINATE (through telemetry and read: automatically adjust) power output (to maintain a speed or anything that may relate to) with model performance, position, or attitude.&nbsp; Honestly, this is no different than a gyro correcting attitude and we certainly don't want to allow that.&nbsp; We simply are trying to allow telemetry that is important for safety and continue to dis-allow anything that automates flying the aircraft.&nbsp; In my very humble opinion and to answer your question; Yes, I think we do want to outlaw something that makes our models fly better IF it is automated and not pilot-induced.<u></u><u></u></p>

<div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:10 AM, James Oddino &lt;<a href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joddino@socal.rr.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">joddino@socal.rr.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></div>

<div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">What does it mean? &nbsp;Electric motors change the power as a function of the load applied. &nbsp;For a given throttle setting the motor will draw more current as the model is pulled vertical for instance. &nbsp;Is the rule trying to prevent that or prevent an improvement in its ability to do that? &nbsp;Is it trying to outlaw braking or variable pitch props? &nbsp;<u></u><u></u></div>

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The question we should ask is; do we really want to outlaw anything that might make our models fly better?<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">

<u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><br><br><u></u><u></u></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">

<div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">9. Engine management systems that coordinate power output with model performance, position, or&nbsp;</span><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></div>

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