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<DIV>Ahhh, the Hedral sisters, Ann and Di. Back in my younger days, I
dated both of them at the same time. After all the sneaking around to make
sure neither knew I was seeing the other, I was left bent every which way.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rob</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=bob@toprudder.com href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com">Bob Richards</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:33
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules
change proposals</DIV>
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<DIV>I bought a box of dihedral recently. I had a box of anhedral left
over from the 70s (used for stabs back then) and I made the mistake of
storing them next to each other. Apparently they cancelled each other
out and all I have left now is some crumbled up cardboard.</DIV>
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<DIV>Bob R.</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 4/23/12, Keith Hoard <I><<A
href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com">khoard@gmail.com</A>></I></B>
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Keith Hoard <khoard@gmail.com><BR>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Rules change proposals<BR>To: "General pattern
discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date: Monday,
April 23, 2012, 6:06 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>The reason I was asking is because I had bought a box of down
thrust from Shalimar Hobbies a couple years ago and still have some
left over. </DIV>
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<DIV>If it's now illegal, I need to return what's left for a partial
refund. </DIV>
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<DIV>The box of right thrust is still shrink wrapped, but I can't find
the receipt. <BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Apr 23, 2012, at 16:44, Ronald Van Putte <<A
href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputte@cox.net"
target=_blank rel=nofollow
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wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>I've just added an arming plug assembly to my Vanquish.
It has the added feature of having the ability to minimize the
coriolis acceleration due to precession of the earth and it self
adjusts for latitude.
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<DIV>Ron</DIV>
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<DIV>On Apr 23, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Scott McHarg wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV class=yiv42420567gmail_extra>Only if you use a disarming plug
and/or bore another hole in the side of your fuse. I heard
something along the lines of the "Hoarder Policy" being written as
we speak but only after a survey has been presented.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=yiv42420567gmail_quote>On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:30 PM,
Keith Hoard <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
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<DIV>I just added some down thrust to my plane, is that
illegal?<BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
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<DIV><BR>On Apr 23, 2012, at 15:54, James Oddino <<A
href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joddino@socal.rr.com"
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<DIV>Scott, I don't want to beat this to death but you must be
very careful. I could interpret this to disallow Contra
Drive prop set ups that automatically cancel the effects of
spiral slipstream, torque, gyroscopic precession and P-Factor.
What about adding aerodynamic appendages that improve
stability and damping? It is not clear why the
aerodynamicist should should be given an advantage over the
power management guy or the electronics guy. I'll never
understand why the variable thrust alignment system was
disallowed.
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<DIV>I don't really care what is decided, but if the rule is
not well defined it will cause turmoil and new guys thinking
about getting into pattern won't like it.</DIV>
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<DIV>Jim</DIV>
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<DIV>On Apr 23, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Scott McHarg
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<DIV class=yiv42420567gmail_extra>Good
Afternoon,<BR> First, let's agree that "Engine
managment" was not a correct term that we derived from the
"old days" and we will fix that (per John Fuqua) assuming it
passes the initial vote. Second, let's not lose sight
that we are speaking about telemetry and we are speaking of
automated functions here, not those that require direct and
manual input. The wording is such that engine
management systems that COORDINATE (through telemetry and
read: automatically adjust) power output (to maintain a
speed or anything that may relate to) with model
performance, position, or attitude. Honestly, this is
no different than a gyro correcting attitude and we
certainly don't want to allow that. We simply are
trying to allow telemetry that is important for safety and
continue to dis-allow anything that automates flying the
aircraft. In my very humble opinion and to answer your
question; Yes, I think we do want to outlaw something that
makes our models fly better IF it is automated and not
pilot-induced.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=yiv42420567gmail_quote>On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at
11:10 AM, James Oddino <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
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<DIV>What does it mean? Electric motors change the
power as a function of the load applied. For a given
throttle setting the motor will draw more current as the
model is pulled vertical for instance. Is the rule
trying to prevent that or prevent an improvement in its
ability to do that? Is it trying to outlaw braking
or variable pitch props? </DIV>
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<DIV>The question we should ask is; do we really want to
outlaw anything that might make our models fly
better?</DIV>
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