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is the CB initial vote?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Behalf Of </b>Keith Hoard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:01 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules change
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Yup, you gotta
store those in separate airtight containers.<br>
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Another question for Scott McHarg . . .<br>
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If I install both an Arming Plug and a Disarming Plug, are
they wired in series or parallel?<br clear="all">
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Keith Hoard<br>
Collierville, TN<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 7:33 AM, Bob
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<p class="MsoNormal">I bought a box of dihedral
recently. I had a box of anhedral left over from
the 70s (used for stabs back then) and I made
the mistake of storing them next to each other.
Apparently they cancelled each other out and all
I have left now is some crumbled up cardboard.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Bob R.<o:p></o:p></p>
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--- On <b>Mon, 4/23/12, Keith Hoard <i><<a
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules change
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<p class="MsoNormal">To: "General pattern
discussion" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal">Date: Monday, April 23, 2012,
6:06 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The reason I was
asking is because I had bought a box
of down thrust from Shalimar Hobbies a
couple years ago and still have some
left over. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If it's now
illegal, I need to return what's left
for a partial refund. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The box of right
thrust is still shrink wrapped, but I
can't find the receipt. <br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Apr 23, 2012, at 16:44, Ronald Van
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<p class="MsoNormal">I've just added
an arming plug assembly to my
Vanquish. It has the added feature
of having the ability to minimize
the coriolis acceleration due to
precession of the earth and it self
adjusts for latitude. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Apr 23,
2012, at 4:33 PM, Scott McHarg
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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if you use a disarming plug
and/or bore another hole in
the side of your fuse. I
heard something along the
lines of the "Hoarder Policy"
being written as we speak but
only after a survey has been
presented.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Apr 23, 2012 at 4:30 PM,
Keith Hoard <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal">I
just added some down
thrust to my plane, is
that illegal?<br>
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Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Apr 23, 2012, at
15:54, James Oddino
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<p class="MsoNormal">Scott,
I don't want to
beat this to death
but you must be
very careful. I
could interpret
this to disallow
Contra Drive prop
set ups that
automatically
cancel the effects
of spiral
slipstream,
torque, gyroscopic
precession and
P-Factor. What
about adding
aerodynamic
appendages that
improve stability
and damping? It
is not clear why
the aerodynamicist
should should be
given an advantage
over the power
management guy or
the electronics
guy. I'll never
understand why the
variable thrust
alignment system
was disallowed.
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<p
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don't really
care what is
decided, but if
the rule is not
well defined it
will cause
turmoil and new
guys thinking
about getting
into pattern
won't like it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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Apr 23, 2012,
at 10:05 AM,
Scott McHarg
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
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First,
let's agree
that "Engine
managment" was
not a correct
term that we
derived from
the "old days"
and we will
fix that (per
John Fuqua)
assuming it
passes the
initial vote.
Second, let's
not lose sight
that we are
speaking about
telemetry and
we are
speaking of
automated
functions
here, not
those that
require direct
and manual
input. The
wording is
such that
engine
management
systems that
COORDINATE
(through
telemetry and
read:
automatically
adjust) power
output (to
maintain a
speed or
anything that
may relate to)
with model
performance,
position, or
attitude.
Honestly, this
is no
different than
a gyro
correcting
attitude and
we certainly
don't want to
allow that.
We simply are
trying to
allow
telemetry that
is important
for safety and
continue to
dis-allow
anything that
automates
flying the
aircraft. In
my very humble
opinion and to
answer your
question; Yes,
I think we do
want to outlaw
something that
makes our
models fly
better IF it
is automated
and not
pilot-induced.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Mon, Apr 23,
2012 at 11:10
AM, James
Oddino <<a
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class="MsoNormal">What
does it mean?
Electric
motors change
the power as a
function of
the load
applied. For
a given
throttle
setting the
motor will
draw more
current as the
model is
pulled
vertical for
instance. Is
the rule
trying to
prevent that
or prevent an
improvement in
its ability to
do that? Is
it trying to
outlaw braking
or variable
pitch props? <o:p></o:p></p>
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question we
should ask is;
do we really
want to outlaw
anything that
might make our
models fly
better?<o:p></o:p></p>
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