<div class="gmail_extra">Mark,<br> Where did you find that? I only see last cycle results. If that's true, they passed the proposal y'all didn't like and failed the one that fell in line with FAI for the electrical circuit break. They also passed through the penalty weight and failed all proposals for increase. Very interesting.<br>
<br>Scott<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Mark Atwood <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com" target="_blank">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Already complete. Proposals 2,4,6,7,8 were passed through for the cross proposal stage. <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div></font></span><div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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<br><div><div>On Apr 24, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Dave Burton wrote:</div><br><span style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US">
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<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:01 AM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules change proposals<u></u><u></u></span></div></div>
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Yup, you gotta store those in separate airtight containers.<br><br>Another question for Scott McHarg . . .<br><br>If I install both an Arming Plug and a Disarming Plug, are they wired in series or parallel?<br clear="all">
<br>Keith Hoard<br>Collierville, TN<br><a href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">khoard@gmail.com</a><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<u></u> <u></u></p><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 7:33 AM, Bob Richards <<a href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">bob@toprudder.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div>
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I bought a box of dihedral recently. I had a box of anhedral left over from the 70s (used for stabs back then) and I made the mistake of storing them next to each other. Apparently they cancelled each other out and all I have left now is some crumbled up cardboard.<u></u><u></u></div>
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Bob R.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><br><br>--- On<span> </span><b>Mon, 4/23/12, Keith Hoard<span> </span><i><<a href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">khoard@gmail.com</a>></i></b><span> </span>wrote:<u></u><u></u></div>
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<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><br>From: Keith Hoard <<a href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">khoard@gmail.com</a>><u></u><u></u></div>
<div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules change proposals<u></u><u></u></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">To: "General pattern discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><u></u><u></u></div>
</div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Date: Monday, April 23, 2012, 6:06 PM<u></u><u></u></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">The reason I was asking is because I had bought a box of down thrust from Shalimar Hobbies a couple years ago and still have some left over. <u></u><u></u></div>
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If it's now illegal, I need to return what's left for a partial refund. <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">The box of right thrust is still shrink wrapped, but I can't find the receipt. <br>
<br>Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><br>On Apr 23, 2012, at 16:44, Ronald Van Putte <<a href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputte@cox.net" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">vanputte@cox.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">I've just added an arming plug assembly to my Vanquish. It has the added feature of having the ability to minimize the coriolis acceleration due to precession of the earth and it self adjusts for latitude.<u></u><u></u></div>
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Ron<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
On Apr 23, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Scott McHarg wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><br>
<br><u></u><u></u></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Only if you use a disarming plug and/or bore another hole in the side of your fuse. I heard something along the lines of the "Hoarder Policy" being written as we speak but only after a survey has been presented.<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Keith Hoard <<a href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=khoard@gmail.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">khoard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div>
<div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">I just added some down thrust to my plane, is that illegal?<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></div>
</div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><br>On Apr 23, 2012, at 15:54, James Oddino <<a href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joddino@socal.rr.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">joddino@socal.rr.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Scott, I don't want to beat this to death but you must be very careful. I could interpret this to disallow Contra Drive prop set ups that automatically cancel the effects of spiral slipstream, torque, gyroscopic precession and P-Factor. What about adding aerodynamic appendages that improve stability and damping? It is not clear why the aerodynamicist should should be given an advantage over the power management guy or the electronics guy. I'll never understand why the variable thrust alignment system was disallowed. <u></u><u></u></div>
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I don't really care what is decided, but if the rule is not well defined it will cause turmoil and new guys thinking about getting into pattern won't like it.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Jim<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">On Apr 23, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Scott McHarg wrote:<u></u><u></u></div>
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Good Afternoon,<br> First, let's agree that "Engine managment" was not a correct term that we derived from the "old days" and we will fix that (per John Fuqua) assuming it passes the initial vote. Second, let's not lose sight that we are speaking about telemetry and we are speaking of automated functions here, not those that require direct and manual input. The wording is such that engine management systems that COORDINATE (through telemetry and read: automatically adjust) power output (to maintain a speed or anything that may relate to) with model performance, position, or attitude. Honestly, this is no different than a gyro correcting attitude and we certainly don't want to allow that. We simply are trying to allow telemetry that is important for safety and continue to dis-allow anything that automates flying the aircraft. In my very humble opinion and to answer your question; Yes, I think we do want to outlaw something that makes our models fly better IF it is automated and not pilot-induced.<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:10 AM, James Oddino <<a href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joddino@socal.rr.com" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">joddino@socal.rr.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div>
<div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">What does it mean? Electric motors change the power as a function of the load applied. For a given throttle setting the motor will draw more current as the model is pulled vertical for instance. Is the rule trying to prevent that or prevent an improvement in its ability to do that? Is it trying to outlaw braking or variable pitch props? <u></u><u></u></div>
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The question we should ask is; do we really want to outlaw anything that might make our models fly better?<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
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