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Where did you find that? I only see last cycle results. If that's true, they passed the proposal y'all didn't like and failed the one that fell in line with FAI for the electrical circuit break. They also passed through the penalty weight and failed all proposals for increase. Very interesting.<br>
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First, let's agree that "Engine managment" was not a correct term that we derived from the "old days" and we will fix that (per John Fuqua) assuming it passes the initial vote. Second, let's not lose sight that we are speaking about telemetry and we are speaking of automated functions here, not those that require direct and manual input. The wording is such that engine management systems that COORDINATE (through telemetry and read: automatically adjust) power output (to maintain a speed or anything that may relate to) with model performance, position, or attitude. Honestly, this is no different than a gyro correcting attitude and we certainly don't want to allow that. We simply are trying to allow telemetry that is important for safety and continue to dis-allow anything that automates flying the aircraft. In my very humble opinion and to answer your question; Yes, I think we do want to outlaw something that makes our models fly better IF it is automated and not pilot-induced.<SPAN style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline"></SPAN><SPAN style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline"></SPAN></P>
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