<div class="gmail_extra">I don't see a lot of "new" rules (other than the physical disconnect, which I'd prefer to have more flexibility in it, requiring only that for a plane to runaway unexpectedly multiple systems must simultaneously fail, which would allow me to continue using the pin flag switch I love). What I see are well-intentioned modifications to existing rules, some of which are necessary to allow for modern radio & other electronic equipment (Futaba, Graupner, and Multiplex latest systems all have telemetry integrated into the receiver and transmitters, so there's always a minimal amount of bi-directional communication going on) similarly Hackers latest motors and speed controllers have integrated sensors, some have telemetry data (that works with Multiplex + other radios), etc. So the rule against data coming from the plane to the transmitter must be modified to keep up with technological advances in the broader hobby (if you don't care or don't want to use telemetry, fine, but don't exclude those of us who want battery and radio signal data with a warning enabled just because you personally are hide bound) -- it offers no competitive advantage, but it could save a significant investment if something goes wrong...</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Peter+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Whodaddy Whodaddy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:whodaddy10@gmail.com" target="_blank">whodaddy10@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>To the contest board .... Do we actually need any new rules ???</div><div> Is there a rash of cheating out there??? </div>
<div>Are we crashing through the pits with out of control airplanes on such a regular basis..</div><div><br></div><div>Do the people that we fly with week in and week out have a uncontrollable desire to win using various methods of subterfuge .. </div>
<div>Or are the people you are around like the ones I fly with .. Want to do there best and improve on there own Merritt ..</div><div>Everyone knows this end of the hobby is about your skills flying against the other guys skills..</div>
<div><br></div><div>Those if any using illegal methods to win will soon get bored and shed themselves of us.. If there are any</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I am amazed at the desire to try to do something about something that isn't even something in the first place...</div>
<div><br></div><div>I know the board just sorts it out and doesn't necasarrly invent the proposals..</div><div><br></div><div>Good luck fellas </div><div><br></div><div>Gary<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><div class="h5">
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<br><div><div>On Apr 24, 2012, at 1:58 PM, Verne Koester wrote:</div><br><span style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple">
<div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks Del, I just want everyone to understand that getting past the first round doesn’t make a proposal a sure thing. It should be obvious for example that 13-7 and 13-9 can’t both pass because they both cover essentially the same thing and they conflict. Maybe the best proposal is a cross-proposal that takes the best parts of both or maybe neither one will pass or maybe one of them is fine as is. What I’m suggesting is that everyone who cares about these things go over all the proposals with a fine toothed comb and tweak where necessary. That’s what the CB will be and has been doing. Most of us don’t participate in the public forums regarding rules, but I’m confident that we’re all paying attention to what’s said there.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span> </span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><span> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Del R<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Tuesday, April 24, 2012 1:25 PM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules change proposals<u></u><u></u></span></div></div>
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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:blue">Hi Verne..</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
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<span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:blue">Thanks for taking the time to share your insight into that part of the process as a refresher for some but 1st time info for others. Show one of your best qualities, that you truly care.. </span><u></u><u></u></div>
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</div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span> </span><a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">'General pattern discussion'</a><u></u><u></u></span></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span> </span>Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:51 AM<u></u><u></u></span></div>
</div><div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules change proposals<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi Jon,<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">
<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">As a member of the CB, I’ve never been real crazy about the way the rules proposal system works but it is what it is. Many proposals are passed through the initial phase because they have some redeeming value that merits discussion and to allow cross proposals to “fix” flaws that are noticed under close scrutiny. The misnomer in the process is that each member of the CB will vote the same way in the second or final phase as it stands. It’s important for those most concerned with the proposals to openly discuss the proposals that pass the first phase and apply tweaks in the form of cross proposals if deemed necessary. Sometimes the CB will take on this task based on discussions that occur within the CB, but not always. The important thing to remember is that passing the first phase doesn’t necessarily make it a sure thing in the final vote.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I can’t speak for the rest of the CB, but I’ll give you an example of problems I have with proposals in just one area. Proposals 13-7 and 13-9 call for an airplane to have the motor disconnected from the batteries before it leaves the runway after a flight. That means the caller will have to disarm the plane unassisted while it’s on the runway immediately following a flight. Do we really want the delays that’ll cause? What happens if the caller just gets to the plane and the pilot on the other line calls a dead stick? Now the caller is in harm’s way while he’s disarming the plane, particularly if he can’t hear everyone yelling for him to get off the runway. If he does hear everyone, scoops up the plane and gets off the runway while the plane is still armed, what then? In one of the proposals, that’s a direct violation. In the other one, it’s implied. Since no penalty is prescribed for either of the proposals, what does a CD do about the violation? And this is just one problem I see. There are others.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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