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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>Hi Verne.. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>Thanks for taking the time to share
your insight into that part of the process as a refresher for some but 1st time
info for others. Show one of your best qualities, that you truly
care.. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial> Del </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=verne@twmi.rr.com href="mailto:verne@twmi.rr.com">Verne Koester</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern
discussion'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:51
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules
change proposals</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Hi
Jon,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">As a member of the
CB, I’ve never been real crazy about the way the rules proposal system works
but it is what it is. Many proposals are passed through the initial phase
because they have some redeeming value that merits discussion and to allow
cross proposals to “fix” flaws that are noticed under close scrutiny. The
misnomer in the process is that each member of the CB will vote the same way
in the second or final phase as it stands. It’s important for those most
concerned with the proposals to openly discuss the proposals that pass the
first phase and apply tweaks in the form of cross proposals if deemed
necessary. Sometimes the CB will take on this task based on discussions that
occur within the CB, but not always. The important thing to remember is that
passing the first phase doesn’t necessarily make it a sure thing in the final
vote. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">I can’t speak for
the rest of the CB, but I’ll give you an example of problems I have with
proposals in just one area. Proposals 13-7 and 13-9 call for an airplane to
have the motor disconnected from the batteries before it leaves the runway
after a flight. That means the caller will have to disarm the plane unassisted
while it’s on the runway immediately following a flight. Do we really want the
delays that’ll cause? What happens if the caller just gets to the plane and
the pilot on the other line calls a dead stick? Now the caller is in harm’s
way while he’s disarming the plane, particularly if he can’t hear everyone
yelling for him to get off the runway. If he does hear everyone, scoops up the
plane and gets off the runway while the plane is still armed, what then? In
one of the proposals, that’s a direct violation. In the other one, it’s
implied. Since no penalty is prescribed for either of the proposals, what does
a CD do about the violation? And this is just one problem I see. There are
others.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Having said all of
this against my better judgment, I don’t intend to and won’t debate the
proposals publicly, I’ll be plenty busy doing that within the CB. I just
wanted everyone to understand how the process works.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">These are the sorts
of things the CB will be discussing between the first and second phase and
trust me when I tell you there will be a lot of discussion on all the
proposals that were passed through to the second phase. We also pay attention
to the forum discussions.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Verne
Koester<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jon
Lowe<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:24 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Rules change proposals<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Thanks Mark.
Glad to see the board took a hard look at the
proposals.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">The proposal 13-4 on
telemetry will require a cross proposal to fix the wording as noted here in
the last few days on engine vs. motor, take out the stuff about the CD's
discretion, or defeated altogether. No CD is going to be an expert
on every transmitter's programming capabilities, downlink system, and
motor/engine management system. There is a protest system to be
used to define whether something is legal or not. Hopefully, this
whole mess will be defeated by the CB.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">As I read Mike
Plummer's proposal 13-7 on battery disconnect, anyone who doesn't have an
external arming plug would have to leave their canopy off, have a clear
canopy, or have a peep hole to show the batteries are
disconnected. Correct? I'm not sure that even an
external arming plug would meet the letter of this rule, since you
couldn't see that the batteries are not directly connected inside the
airplane, bypassing the arming plug. And if we decide that presence of
an arming plug is a "visible indication", someone who doesn't have one will
have to leave their canopy off even when no batteries are installed,
because there is no way to verify they are not installed and
disconnected. I guess the way this is worded, the canopy would have to
be off from the time the fuselage is taken out of the car until right before
it is carried or taxied to the runway. Looks like another case of
unintended consequences.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Proposal 13-8 needs a
cross proposal to take out the words "using radio equipment with a failsafe
function". Why restrict it? While I doubt anyone is using FM/PPM
equipment anymore in pattern, in the event there are, there are devices
that go between the throttle servo or speed control and the receiver that
provide a failsafe function when signal is lost. Here's an
example: <A
href="http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=20618">http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=20618</A>.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=apple-style-span><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Jon</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Mark Atwood <<A
href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</A>><BR>To:
General pattern discussion <<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Sent:
Tue, Apr 24, 2012 8:20 am<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules change
proposals<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Already
complete. Proposals 2,4,6,7,8 were passed through for the cross
proposal stage. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">On
Apr 24, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Dave Burton wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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is the CB initial vote?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]<SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B>On Behalf Of<SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN></B>Keith Hoard<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Tuesday, April 24, 2012 9:01
AM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>General pattern
discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules change
proposals</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Yup,
you gotta store those in separate airtight containers.<BR><BR>Another question
for Scott McHarg . . .<BR><BR>If I install both an Arming Plug and a Disarming
Plug, are they wired in series or parallel?<BR clear=all><BR>Keith
Hoard<BR>Collierville, TN<BR><A
href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com">khoard@gmail.com</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 7:33 AM,
Bob Richards <<A href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com">bob@toprudder.com</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I bought a box of dihedral recently. I had a box of
anhedral left over from the 70s (used for stabs back then) and I made
the mistake of storing them next to each other. Apparently they
cancelled each other out and all I have left now is some crumbled up
cardboard.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Bob R.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR><BR>--- On<SPAN
class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B>Mon, 4/23/12, Keith
Hoard<SPAN class=apple-converted-space> </SPAN><I><<A
href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com">khoard@gmail.com</A>></I></B><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR>From: Keith Hoard <<A
href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com">khoard@gmail.com</A>><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules change
proposals<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>To: "General pattern discussion" <<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Date: Monday, April 23, 2012, 6:06
PM<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>The reason I was asking is because I had bought a
box of down thrust from Shalimar Hobbies a couple years ago and still
have some left over. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>If it's now illegal, I need to return what's left
for a partial refund. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>The box of right thrust is still shrink wrapped,
but I can't find the receipt. <BR><BR>Sent from my
iPhone<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR>On Apr 23, 2012, at 16:44, Ronald Van Putte
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Vanquish. It has the added feature of having the ability to
minimize the coriolis acceleration due to precession of the earth
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<P class=MsoNormal>Only if you use a disarming plug and/or bore
another hole in the side of your fuse. I heard something along
the lines of the "Hoarder Policy" being written as we speak but only
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you must be very careful. I could interpret this to disallow
Contra Drive prop set ups that automatically cancel the effects of
spiral slipstream, torque, gyroscopic precession and P-Factor.
What about adding aerodynamic appendages that improve
stability and damping? It is not clear why the
aerodynamicist should should be given an advantage over the power
management guy or the electronics guy. I'll never understand
why the variable thrust alignment system was disallowed.
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<P class=MsoNormal>I don't really care what is decided, but if the
rule is not well defined it will cause turmoil and new guys
thinking about getting into pattern won't like
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<P class=MsoNormal>Good Afternoon,<BR> First, let's
agree that "Engine managment" was not a correct term that we
derived from the "old days" and we will fix that (per John Fuqua)
assuming it passes the initial vote. Second, let's not lose
sight that we are speaking about telemetry and we are speaking of
automated functions here, not those that require direct and manual
input. The wording is such that engine management systems
that COORDINATE (through telemetry and read: automatically adjust)
power output (to maintain a speed or anything that may relate to)
with model performance, position, or attitude. Honestly,
this is no different than a gyro correcting attitude and we
certainly don't want to allow that. We simply are trying to
allow telemetry that is important for safety and continue to
dis-allow anything that automates flying the aircraft. In my
very humble opinion and to answer your question; Yes, I think we
do want to outlaw something that makes our models fly better IF it
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the power as a function of the load applied. For a given
throttle setting the motor will draw more current as the model is
pulled vertical for instance. Is the rule trying to prevent
that or prevent an improvement in its ability to do that? Is
it trying to outlaw braking or variable pitch props?
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want to outlaw anything that might make our models fly
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