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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle24><font size=2 color="#993366"
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Thank You<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ed Alt<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, April 22, 2012 8:26
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Rules change proposals</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Arial Unicode MS"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>That
last sentence about allowing CD discretion to determine if telemetry info
constitutes an unfair advantage seems completely inappropriate. How would
that sound if it were instead referring only to data logged in the model,
i.e., not transmitted? Or if it were referring to information learned
post flight from the LiPo charger about how much battery capacity was used
during the flight? Why not give the CD the discretion to snoop around the
pits after your flight while you look at that information from your Eagle Tree
logger or your LiPo charger? Or how about policing Spektrum Data Monitor
readings captured during the flight? One might infer from the number of
antenna fades if a particular flight was flown further out than other flights.
Or how about if the CD is permitted to determine that you gained an unfair
advantage because you got feedback from your caller about your flight? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>The
intent seems to be that telemetry can be permitted for monitoring safety
functions. If you define the safety functions as things that are required
to safely control the model, such as adequate battery voltage, temperatures
within safe bounds and so forth, then an in-flight alarm is the one and only
mechanism that you can legitimately use. Or is it? Would it not be
useful to see if you had creeped right up to, but not crossed over to a
dangerous temperature when pushing hard to fly a large sequence on a hot windy
day? You would need to look at logged telemetry data in that case. Or would it
be better to allow to CD to arbitrarily ban that pilot from learning that he
would be better off being a little more conservative on the next flight to
avoid hitting that dangerous condition? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>This
is being made much more complicated than it needs to be!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>Ed<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;background:whitesmoke'><b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net" title="jnhiller@earthlink.net">J N Hiller</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;background:whitesmoke'><b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>
Sunday, April 22, 2012 11:03 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;background:whitesmoke'><b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;background:whitesmoke'><b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules change proposals<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle22><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The last sentence of the proposed replacement
paragraph helps control the use of telemetry.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle22><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle22><font
size=2 color="#ff6600" face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#FF6600'>"</span></font></span><font
size=2 color="#ff6600"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;
color:#FF6600'>The final determination of whether or not the use of telemetry
information constitutes an unfair advantage is left to the discretion of the
CD."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=EmailStyle22><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jon Lowe<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, April 22, 2012 7:03
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Rules change proposals</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Where a
lot of us were, voting against it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><span class=apple-style-span><font
size=4 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Jon</span></font></span><font color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
From: John Gayer <jgghome@comcast.net><br>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 8:50 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules change proposals<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div id="AOLMsgPart_2_0b29484f-0b6e-4919-96b7-f37eb1b122df">
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>You are
all correct in that the word "engine" was used inappropriately and we
should have used "powerplant".<br>
Where were all you guys when we published and surveyed on this proposal PRIOR
to submitting to the CB???<br>
<br>
<br>
On 4/22/2012 2:41 PM, James Oddino wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Who wrote the words and
what was their intention? I guarantee it doesn't do what they intended
because it doesn't apply to electric powered aircraft that don't have engines. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I would interpret it to
mean something like control line engines that automatically change mixture
setting from horizontal to vertical flight.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I've said it
before. We don't need more rules and regulations, we need fewer. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>On Apr 22, 2012, at 9:49
AM, Peter Vogel wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.5in'><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><br>
<br style='mso-special-character:line-break'>
<![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]><br style='mso-special-character:line-break'>
<![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:1.0in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:2.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Quick
question on the "functions not allowed" section of RCA13-4-McHarg: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:1.0in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:2.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:1.0in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:2.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>9.
Engine management systems that coordinate power output with model performance,
position, or <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:1.0in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:2.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>attitude.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:1.0in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:2.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:1.0in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:2.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Does
that make systems such as the Hacker Senestrol system which ensures a
consistent RPM based on throttle position illegal? I know they were
specifically designed for F3A use in Europe and have been popular...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:1.0in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:2.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:1.0in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:2.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Peter+<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:1.0in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:2.0in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>On Sun,
Apr 22, 2012 at 9:18 AM, J N Hiller <<a href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">jnhiller@earthlink.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:1.0in;margin-bottom:
0in;margin-left:148.8pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:
solid #CCCCCC .75pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt'><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Attached is a summery of the RC Aerobatics rules change proposals
for the<br>
2013-14 cycle. I put this together for a presentation at our judging seminar<br>
yesterday.<br>
<br>
The actual proposals can be viewed at<br>
<a href="http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/ruleproposals/rcaerobatics.aspx"
target="_blank">http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/ruleproposals/rcaerobatics.aspx</a><br>
The initial vote ballots are due at AMA headquarters May 1 2012.<br>
Contact your AMA district contest board representative with your concerns<br>
and preferences regarding these proposed changes immediately as time is<br>
short. Here is a link to the contest board members.<br>
<a href="http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/cbmembers.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/cbmembers.aspx</a><br>
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I pause before sending this fearing I may not have it all correct. If I'm in<br>
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