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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Scott,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Want to buy a gallon of prop wash? It's
only $10. It'll make your plane look great sitting on the flight
line. If you order in the next 15 minutes, we'll add 50 feet of flight
line for an extra $15. Operators are standing by.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rob</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=khoard@gmail.com href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com">Keith Hoard</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 23, 2012 5:06
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules
change proposals</DIV>
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<DIV>The reason I was asking is because I had bought a box of down thrust from
Shalimar Hobbies a couple years ago and still have some left over. </DIV>
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<DIV>If it's now illegal, I need to return what's left for a partial
refund. </DIV>
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<DIV>The box of right thrust is still shrink wrapped, but I can't find the
receipt. <BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Apr 23, 2012, at 16:44, Ronald Van Putte <<A
href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>I've just added an arming plug assembly to my Vanquish. It has
the added feature of having the ability to minimize the coriolis
acceleration due to precession of the earth and it self adjusts for
latitude.
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<DIV>Ron</DIV>
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<DIV>On Apr 23, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Scott McHarg wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV class=gmail_extra>Only if you use a disarming plug and/or bore
another hole in the side of your fuse. I heard something along the
lines of the "Hoarder Policy" being written as we speak but only after a
survey has been presented.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Keith Hoard <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com"
target=_blank>khoard@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>I just added some down thrust to my plane, is that
illegal?<BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
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<DIV><BR>On Apr 23, 2012, at 15:54, James Oddino <<A
href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com"
target=_blank>joddino@socal.rr.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Scott, I don't want to beat this to death but you must be very
careful. I could interpret this to disallow Contra Drive prop
set ups that automatically cancel the effects of spiral slipstream,
torque, gyroscopic precession and P-Factor. What about adding
aerodynamic appendages that improve stability and damping? It is
not clear why the aerodynamicist should should be given an advantage
over the power management guy or the electronics guy. I'll never
understand why the variable thrust alignment system was disallowed.
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<DIV>I don't really care what is decided, but if the rule is not well
defined it will cause turmoil and new guys thinking about getting into
pattern won't like it.</DIV>
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<DIV>Jim</DIV>
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<DIV>On Apr 23, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Scott McHarg wrote:</DIV><BR>
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<DIV class=gmail_extra>Good Afternoon,<BR> First, let's
agree that "Engine managment" was not a correct term that we derived
from the "old days" and we will fix that (per John Fuqua) assuming
it passes the initial vote. Second, let's not lose sight that
we are speaking about telemetry and we are speaking of automated
functions here, not those that require direct and manual
input. The wording is such that engine management systems that
COORDINATE (through telemetry and read: automatically adjust) power
output (to maintain a speed or anything that may relate to) with
model performance, position, or attitude. Honestly, this is no
different than a gyro correcting attitude and we certainly don't
want to allow that. We simply are trying to allow telemetry
that is important for safety and continue to dis-allow anything that
automates flying the aircraft. In my very humble opinion and
to answer your question; Yes, I think we do want to outlaw something
that makes our models fly better IF it is automated and not
pilot-induced.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:10 AM, James
Oddino <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com"
target=_blank>joddino@socal.rr.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>What does it mean? Electric motors change the power as
a function of the load applied. For a given throttle setting
the motor will draw more current as the model is pulled vertical
for instance. Is the rule trying to prevent that or prevent
an improvement in its ability to do that? Is it trying to
outlaw braking or variable pitch props? </DIV>
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<DIV>The question we should ask is; do we really want to outlaw
anything that might make our models fly better?</DIV>
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