<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">No! ........ Yes! ....... Maybe! <div><br></div><div>Ron</div><div><br><div><div>On Apr 23, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Phil S. wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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Ron, will it still work after 12-21-12, when the sudden magnetic polar
reversal will disrupt all toilet flushing, such that our CC-wise
flushing will become CW, and vice-versa? Also, does this rule mean
that we will have to re-magnetize our motors (NOT engines!!) manually
rather than automatically after 12-21-12? Inquiring "minds" want to
know...<br>
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On 4/23/2012 5:44 PM, Ronald Van Putte wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:7234A111-26B6-44CC-92CE-58C1F7FFDD90@cox.net" type="cite">I've just added an arming plug assembly to my Vanquish.
It has the added feature of having the ability to minimize the
coriolis acceleration due to precession of the earth and it self
adjusts for latitude.
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<div class="gmail_extra">Only if you use a disarming plug and/or
bore another hole in the side of your fuse. I heard something along
the lines of the "Hoarder Policy" being written as we speak but only
after a survey has been presented.<br>
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<div>I just added some down thrust to my plane, is that illegal?<br>
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On Apr 23, 2012, at 15:54, James Oddino <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:joddino@socal.rr.com" target="_blank">joddino@socal.rr.com</a>>
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<div>Scott, I don't want to beat this to death but you must be
very careful. I could interpret this to disallow Contra Drive prop set
ups that automatically cancel the effects of spiral slipstream, torque,
gyroscopic precession and P-Factor. What about adding aerodynamic
appendages that improve stability and damping? It is not clear why the
aerodynamicist should should be given an advantage over the power
management guy or the electronics guy. I'll never understand why the
variable thrust alignment system was disallowed.
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<div>I don't really care what is decided, but if the rule is
not well defined it will cause turmoil and new guys thinking about
getting into pattern won't like it.</div>
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First, let's agree that "Engine managment" was not a correct term
that we derived from the "old days" and we will fix that (per John
Fuqua) assuming it passes the initial vote. Second, let's not lose
sight that we are speaking about telemetry and we are speaking of
automated functions here, not those that require direct and manual
input. The wording is such that engine management systems that
COORDINATE (through telemetry and read: automatically adjust) power
output (to maintain a speed or anything that may relate to) with model
performance, position, or attitude. Honestly, this is no different
than a gyro correcting attitude and we certainly don't want to allow
that. We simply are trying to allow telemetry that is important for
safety and continue to dis-allow anything that automates flying the
aircraft. In my very humble opinion and to answer your question; Yes,
I think we do want to outlaw something that makes our models fly better
IF it is automated and not pilot-induced.<br>
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<div>What does it mean? Electric motors change the power
as a function of the load applied. For a given throttle setting the
motor will draw more current as the model is pulled vertical for
instance. Is the rule trying to prevent that or prevent an improvement
in its ability to do that? Is it trying to outlaw braking or variable
pitch props? </div>
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<div>The question we should ask is; do we really want to
outlaw anything that might make our models fly better?</div>
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