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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>One can imagine all the various
interpretations various CD's could choose to go with. Don't hurt attendance so
let anything fly over the other extreme to be a real hard nose and sorry if some
get offended. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rickwallace45@gmail.com href="mailto:rickwallace45@gmail.com">richard
wallace</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 23, 2012 1:04
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules
change proposals</DIV>
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<P>Leaving an interpretation like this to CD discretion is a horrible copout,
and is totally inappropriate. <BR>I'd there's going to be a rule it must be
understandable on its own, without the need for CD intervention. <BR>If a rule
can't do that then it probly shouldn't be a rule...<BR></P>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Apr 22, 2012 9:03 PM, "J N Hiller" <<A
href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">jnhiller@earthlink.net</A>> wrote:<BR
type="attribution">
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN><FONT color=navy face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The last sentence of the
proposed replacement paragraph helps control the use of
telemetry.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN><FONT color=navy face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U><U></U><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN><FONT color=#ff6600 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #ff6600; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">"</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
color=#ff6600><SPAN style="COLOR: #ff6600; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The final
determination of whether or not the use of telemetry information constitutes
an unfair advantage is left to the discretion of the
CD."<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN><FONT color=navy face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U><U></U><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black
face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Jon Lowe<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, April 22, 2012 7:03
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules
change proposals</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3
face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><U></U><U></U><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3
face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Where a lot of
us were, voting against it.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN><FONT color=black size=4
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Jon</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
color=black face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"
class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: John Gayer <<A href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net"
target=_blank>jgghome@comcast.net</A>><BR>To: General pattern discussion
<<A href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target=_blank>nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Sent: Sun, Apr 22,
2012 8:50 pm<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules change
proposals<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black
face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">You are all
correct in that the word "engine" was used inappropriately and we should
have used "powerplant".<BR>Where were all you guys when we published and
surveyed on this proposal PRIOR to submitting to the
CB???<BR><BR><BR>On 4/22/2012 2:41 PM, James Oddino wrote:
<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT
color=black face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Who
wrote the words and what was their intention? I guarantee it doesn't
do what they intended because it doesn't apply to electric powered aircraft
that don't have engines. <U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT
color=black face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U><U></U><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT
color=black face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I
would interpret it to mean something like control line engines that
automatically change mixture setting from horizontal to vertical
flight.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT
color=black face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U><U></U><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT
color=black face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I've said it before. We
don't need more rules and regulations, we need fewer.
<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT
color=black face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U><U></U><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT
color=black face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Jim<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT
color=black face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U><U></U><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT
color=black face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U><U></U><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT
color=black face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">On
Apr 22, 2012, at 9:49 AM, Peter Vogel wrote:<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT
color=black face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR><U></U><BR><U></U><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in" class=MsoNormal><FONT
color=black face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Quick question on the "functions
not allowed" section of RCA13-4-McHarg: <U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in" class=MsoNormal><FONT
color=black face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U><U></U><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in" class=MsoNormal><FONT
color=black face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">9.
Engine management systems that coordinate power output with model
performance, position, or <U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in" class=MsoNormal><FONT
color=black face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">attitude.”<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in" class=MsoNormal><FONT
color=black face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U><U></U><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in" class=MsoNormal><FONT
color=black face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Does that make systems such as
the Hacker Senestrol system which ensures a consistent RPM based on throttle
position illegal? I know they were specifically designed for F3A use
in Europe and have been popular...<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in" class=MsoNormal><FONT
color=black face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><U></U><U></U><U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in" class=MsoNormal><FONT
color=black face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Peter+<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in" class=MsoNormal><FONT
color=black face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">On
Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 9:18 AM, J N Hiller <<A
href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net"
target=_blank>jnhiller@earthlink.net</A>>
wrote:<U></U><U></U></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Attached is a summery of the RC
Aerobatics rules change proposals for the<BR>2013-14 cycle. I put this
together for a presentation at our judging seminar<BR>yesterday.<BR><BR>The
actual proposals can be viewed at<BR><A
href="http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/ruleproposals/rcaerobatics.aspx"
target=_blank>http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/ruleproposals/rcaerobatics.aspx</A><BR>The
initial vote ballots are due at AMA headquarters May 1 2012.<BR>Contact your
AMA district contest board representative with your concerns<BR>and
preferences regarding these proposed changes immediately as time
is<BR>short. Here is a link to the contest board members.<BR><A
href="http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/cbmembers.aspx"
target=_blank>http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/cbmembers.aspx</A><BR><BR>I
pause before sending this fearing I may not have it all correct. If I'm
in<BR>error just delete it and accept my apology.<BR>Jim
Hiller<BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion
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