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<DIV>That last sentence about allowing CD discretion to determine if telemetry
info constitutes an unfair advantage seems completely inappropriate. How
would that sound if it were instead referring only to data logged in the
model, i.e., not transmitted? Or if it were referring to information
learned post flight from the LiPo charger about how much battery capacity was
used during the flight? Why not give the CD the discretion to snoop around
the pits after your flight while you look at that information from your Eagle
Tree logger or your LiPo charger? Or how about policing Spektrum Data Monitor
readings captured during the flight? One might infer from the number of
antenna fades if a particular flight was flown further out than other flights.
Or how about if the CD is permitted to determine that you gained an unfair
advantage because you got feedback from your caller about your flight?
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<DIV>The intent seems to be that telemetry can be permitted for monitoring
safety functions. If you define the safety functions as things that are
required to safely control the model, such as adequate battery voltage,
temperatures within safe bounds and so forth, then an in-flight alarm is the one
and only mechanism that you can legitimately use. Or is it? Would it
not be useful to see if you had creeped right up to, but not crossed over to a
dangerous temperature when pushing hard to fly a large sequence on a hot windy
day? You would need to look at logged telemetry data in that case. Or would it
be better to allow to CD to arbitrarily ban that pilot from learning that he
would be better off being a little more conservative on the next flight to avoid
hitting that dangerous condition? </DIV>
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<DIV>This is being made much more complicated than it needs to be!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ed</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jnhiller@earthlink.net
href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">J N Hiller</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, April 22, 2012 11:03 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules change
proposals</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle21><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">The last
sentence of the proposed replacement paragraph helps control the use of
telemetry.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle21><FONT color=navy size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle21><FONT color=#ff6600 size=2
face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: #ff6600; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">"</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
color=#ff6600 size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: #ff6600; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">The final
determination of whether or not the use of telemetry information constitutes an
unfair advantage is left to the discretion of the
CD."<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Tahoma><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Jon Lowe<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, April 22, 2012 7:03
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules
change proposals</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3
face="Arial Unicode MS"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3
face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Where
a lot of us were, voting against it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=apple-style-span><FONT
color=black size=4 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Jon</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
color=black face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"
class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: John Gayer <jgghome@comcast.net><BR>To: General
pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Sent: Sun, Apr
22, 2012 8:50 pm<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules change
proposals<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2
face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">You
are all correct in that the word "engine" was used inappropriately and we should
have used "powerplant".<BR>Where were all you guys when we published and
surveyed on this proposal PRIOR to submitting to the CB???<BR><BR><BR>On
4/22/2012 2:41 PM, James Oddino wrote: <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P
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class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Who wrote the words
and what was their intention? I guarantee it doesn't do what they intended
because it doesn't apply to electric powered aircraft that don't have engines.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P
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class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I would interpret it
to mean something like control line engines that automatically change mixture
setting from horizontal to vertical flight.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P
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class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P
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class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I've said it
before. We don't need more rules and regulations, we need fewer.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P
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class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P
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class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Jim<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P
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class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"
class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P
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class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">On Apr 22, 2012, at
9:49 AM, Peter Vogel wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR
style="mso-special-character: line-break"><BR
style="mso-special-character: line-break"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P
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class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Quick question on the
"functions not allowed" section of RCA13-4-McHarg: <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P
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class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P
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class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">9. Engine management
systems that coordinate power output with model performance, position, or
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P
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class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">attitude.”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P
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class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P
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class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Does that make systems
such as the Hacker Senestrol system which ensures a consistent RPM based on
throttle position illegal? I know they were specifically designed for F3A
use in Europe and have been popular...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P
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class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P
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class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Peter+<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P
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class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">On Sun, Apr 22, 2012
at 9:18 AM, J N Hiller <<A
href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">jnhiller@earthlink.net</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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class=MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Attached is a summery
of the RC Aerobatics rules change proposals for the<BR>2013-14 cycle. I put this
together for a presentation at our judging seminar<BR>yesterday.<BR><BR>The
actual proposals can be viewed at<BR><A
href="http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/ruleproposals/rcaerobatics.aspx"
target=_blank>http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/ruleproposals/rcaerobatics.aspx</A><BR>The
initial vote ballots are due at AMA headquarters May 1 2012.<BR>Contact your AMA
district contest board representative with your concerns<BR>and preferences
regarding these proposed changes immediately as time is<BR>short. Here is a link
to the contest board members.<BR><A
href="http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/cbmembers.aspx"
target=_blank>http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/cbmembers.aspx</A><BR><BR>I
pause before sending this fearing I may not have it all correct. If I'm
in<BR>error just delete it and accept my apology.<BR>Jim
Hiller<BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>NSRCA-discussion
mailing list<BR><A
href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR><A
href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion"
target=_blank>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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