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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Phil’s talking about SPA events. I haven’t been to one in a while.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It’s not a put down.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ronald Van Putte<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 18, 2012 7:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposals<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I think that "I haven't seen you at an event is several years" is meant as a put-down. Well, I have seen Dave many times at contests in the southeast during the past several years. I have called for him and vice versa. He's been active, so I assume he's "earned" the right to comment on what he sees as unfair.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ron Van Putte<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mar 18, 2012, at 2:03 PM, Phil S. wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>First, Dave, I haven't seen you at an event is several years -- t'would be good to see you again! Second, I have not seen anyhone doing anything forcing pilots to fly electric in pattern. That is a choice each person makes freely. That said, I, too, have always wondered why the weighing parameters are what they are -- without fuel but with batteries. I have never come across a rationale for that difference. Anyone out there know why? The only difference in the two power systems I can see is that fuel burns off and the plane gets lighter during a flight, but the battery always weighs what it weighs, but I don't see why that would matter...<br><br>On 3/18/2012 2:06 PM, Dave Burton wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>George,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yours is an interesting post. In an environment where we are all flying the same power systems I think you would be spot on. However, what I’d like to see is a change that accounts for the fact that glow planes must make 5Kg without fuel and electric must make 5Kg with fuel. In order for comparable planes to comply with the weight it’s necessary for electric to use more hi-tech and expensive components, lighter less durable building techniques, more expensive and lighter accessories, etc. thus increasing the cost. Almost every glow 2M plane takes off above 5Kg and flies at above 5Kg the entire sequence. I know there are exceptions but I think it’s generally true. I know I could choose to fly glow and not have an issue. However I want the advantages of electric without having to pay a significant cost penalty to do so. Let’s fix the inequity of this in the AMA classes.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dave Burton</span><o:p></o:p></p><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Phil Spelt, KCRC President<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>AMA 1294 Scientific Leader Member<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>SPA 177 Board Member<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>(865) 435-1476v, (865) 604-0541c<o:p></o:p></pre></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>