<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>The cd's have been enforcing the weight rule at the NATS for years this year will be no different just more frequent given the logistics hold up ..don't see how it makes a difference.. Sounds like an inference that we now have a weight change proposition due to an in forcemeat of the rules .. Sounds to me like I might not want to be apart of an organization that is run by such thinking..</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Gary <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Mar 16, 2012, at 9:19 PM, John Gayer <<a href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">jgghome@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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Arch,<br>
I certainly was not objecting to you enforcing the weight rule at
the Nats. I'm with you 100% on that and any other rule enforcement
at the Nats you can afford to do. You have to admit that your
decision to weigh every plane created a lot of "discussion" on this
list.<br>
Can't see anyone going to the Nats knowing they are going to get
just a tearsheet and a bunch of zeros for their efforts. Again, this
is not to imply you should be doing anything different, just that we
should change the rule to encourage participation in the future.<br>
John<br>
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On 3/16/2012 7:55 PM, Archie Stafford wrote:
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<div>Hey, all I did was decide to enforce an existing rule.
Actually, I didn't have to say a thing except for how it was
going to be enforced. Frankly, if I had the number of people
available to strictly enforce every rule, I would. If nothing
else my decision has at least sparked the debate about the rule.
It has never made sense to me to never enforce it. Personally I
think it needs to be left alone, but others don't. Even this
year, no one is saying you can't fly a heavy airplane. You just
wont get to keep the scores for that round. I seriously doubt
someone with a real shot at winning would show up with a heavy
airplane anyway. People can even have their tear sheets for the
round. It just wont be listed in the results. </div>
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On Mar 16, 2012, at 9:48 PM, John Gayer <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">jgghome@comcast.net</a>>
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Point taken about having to serve notice that you are going to
enforce a rule at a local contest. Note that Arch had to do
that for the Nats this year and such a clatter did arise....<br>
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On 3/16/2012 6:53 PM, Dave Burton wrote:
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one issue about waive a rule notification in really
bothers me in your suggestion. Having to post in
advance 30 days that a CD will enforce a rule is
counter to any other process I’ve seen. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It
becoming clear -eliminating the max weight rule is the
only system that really works. LOL<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Gayer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 16, 2012 8:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules
Proposals<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This won't work very well, in my
opinion. Who is going to the Nats if they start out
5-10% behind? This does nothing to increase attendance
and is detrimental to operation of local contests. All
it takes is an unhappy pilot feeling he was home-towned
protesting vociferously about the heavy airplane that
just beat him and demanding a weight check that might
reverse the first and second places. <br>
<br>
IF the CD denies the protest, you've lost a pilot. If
you do a weight check and it fails, then you've lost a
different pilot. To prevent this, a CD must waive the
weight rules on his sanction which is not normally done
now, although it should be. So extra work and/or hassle
for the CD and extra work for scorekeeper/scorekeeping
systems. For what gain? A rule that will not be enforced
locally and will keep pilots away from the Nats just as
much as no weight allowance at all. <br>
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At the very least, preface the rule proposal with
something like:<br>
This weight rule will be enforced at the Nats. If a CD
chooses to include this rule at a local contest, he must
publicize that fact appropriately to all potential
attendees at least 30 days prior to the contest. <br>
<br>
At a local contest, this officially leaves us with no
weight rule at all in AMA classes. That's probably OK as
we could reject on size if needed. Personally I would
only turn someone away if they brought a 42% Extra to
fly in Masters and maybe not even then...<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
John<br>
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On 3/15/2012 7:54 AM, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ronlock@comcast.net">ronlock@comcast.net</a>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Hi
All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Here
is a copy of another proposal for consideration by
the Contest Board along with the others that have
been submitted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">This
one does not disqualify a model for not meeting
weight limits. It imposes a score penalty, but
still allows the <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">model
to participate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Ron
Lockhart<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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