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Gary,<br>
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There was a weight proposal two years ago which resulted in a 115
gram allowance for Intermediate and Advanced. There was already a
weight proposal submitted this year by Joe with an increase of 200
grams for all AMA classes. Discussions surrounding the weight rule
have been going on for years and to claim that the NSRCA proposal
was made in response to Arch's weight checking plan for this year's
Nats is preposterous.<br>
<br>
John<br>
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On 3/16/2012 8:30 PM, Whodaddy Whodaddy wrote:
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<div>The cd's have been enforcing the weight rule at the NATS for
years this year will be no different just more frequent given
the logistics hold up ..don't see how it makes a difference..
Sounds like an inference that we now have a weight change
proposition due to an in forcemeat of the rules .. Sounds to me
like I might not want to be apart of an organization that is run
by such thinking..</div>
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<div>Gary <br>
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On Mar 16, 2012, at 9:19 PM, John Gayer <<a
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Arch,<br>
I certainly was not objecting to you enforcing the weight rule
at the Nats. I'm with you 100% on that and any other rule
enforcement at the Nats you can afford to do. You have to
admit that your decision to weigh every plane created a lot of
"discussion" on this list.<br>
Can't see anyone going to the Nats knowing they are going to
get just a tearsheet and a bunch of zeros for their efforts.
Again, this is not to imply you should be doing anything
different, just that we should change the rule to encourage
participation in the future.<br>
John<br>
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On 3/16/2012 7:55 PM, Archie Stafford wrote:
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<div>Hey, all I did was decide to enforce an existing rule.
Actually, I didn't have to say a thing except for how it
was going to be enforced. Frankly, if I had the number of
people available to strictly enforce every rule, I would.
If nothing else my decision has at least sparked the
debate about the rule. It has never made sense to me to
never enforce it. Personally I think it needs to be left
alone, but others don't. Even this year, no one is saying
you can't fly a heavy airplane. You just wont get to keep
the scores for that round. I seriously doubt someone with
a real shot at winning would show up with a heavy airplane
anyway. People can even have their tear sheets for the
round. It just wont be listed in the results. </div>
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<div>Arch<br>
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On Mar 16, 2012, at 9:48 PM, John Gayer <<a
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Point taken about having to serve notice that you are
going to enforce a rule at a local contest. Note that
Arch had to do that for the Nats this year and such a
clatter did arise....<br>
<br>
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On 3/16/2012 6:53 PM, Dave Burton wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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one issue about waive a rule notification in
really bothers me in your suggestion. Having to
post in advance 30 days that a CD will enforce a
rule is counter to any other process I’ve seen.
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It
becoming clear -eliminating the max weight rule
is the only system that really works. LOL<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Gayer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 16, 2012 8:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules
Proposals<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This won't work very well, in
my opinion. Who is going to the Nats if they start
out 5-10% behind? This does nothing to increase
attendance and is detrimental to operation of
local contests. All it takes is an unhappy pilot
feeling he was home-towned protesting vociferously
about the heavy airplane that just beat him and
demanding a weight check that might reverse the
first and second places. <br>
<br>
IF the CD denies the protest, you've lost a pilot.
If you do a weight check and it fails, then you've
lost a different pilot. To prevent this, a CD must
waive the weight rules on his sanction which is
not normally done now, although it should be. So
extra work and/or hassle for the CD and extra work
for scorekeeper/scorekeeping systems. For what
gain? A rule that will not be enforced locally and
will keep pilots away from the Nats just as much
as no weight allowance at all. <br>
<br>
At the very least, preface the rule proposal with
something like:<br>
This weight rule will be enforced at the Nats. If
a CD chooses to include this rule at a local
contest, he must publicize that fact appropriately
to all potential attendees at least 30 days prior
to the contest. <br>
<br>
At a local contest, this officially leaves us with
no weight rule at all in AMA classes. That's
probably OK as we could reject on size if needed.
Personally I would only turn someone away if they
brought a 42% Extra to fly in Masters and maybe
not even then...<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
John<br>
<br>
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On 3/15/2012 7:54 AM, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p><span
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All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Here
is a copy of another proposal for
consideration by the Contest Board along with
the others that have been submitted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">This
one does not disqualify a model for not
meeting weight limits. It imposes a score
penalty, but still allows the <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">model
to participate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Ron
Lockhart<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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