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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>HMMMmmm!!! Why both having
rules if they are only occasionally adhered to. In fairness to all honorable
contestants, rules should be honored whether PATTERN police are present or
not. I sure would not want to bust my butt spending the buckaroos and
committing the time to be legal at any local or regional or national event to
know that some can show up to beat up on me because they spent their time
practicing, but not flying a legal plane.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>I have never understood the desire
for some to encourage hollow victories. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial> Del
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<A title=jgghome@comcast.net href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net">John Gayer</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 16, 2012 10:19
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules
Proposals</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Arch,<BR>I certainly was not objecting to you enforcing the
weight rule at the Nats. I'm with you 100% on that and any other rule
enforcement at the Nats you can afford to do. You have to admit that your
decision to weigh every plane created a lot of "discussion" on this
list.<BR>Can't see anyone going to the Nats knowing they are going to get just
a tearsheet and a bunch of zeros for their efforts. Again, this is not to
imply you should be doing anything different, just that we should change the
rule to encourage participation in the future.<BR>John<BR><BR>On 3/16/2012
7:55 PM, Archie Stafford wrote:
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<DIV>Hey, all I did was decide to enforce an existing rule. Actually, I
didn't have to say a thing except for how it was going to be enforced.
Frankly, if I had the number of people available to strictly enforce every
rule, I would. If nothing else my decision has at least sparked the
debate about the rule. It has never made sense to me to never enforce it.
Personally I think it needs to be left alone, but others don't. Even this
year, no one is saying you can't fly a heavy airplane. You just wont get to
keep the scores for that round. I seriously doubt someone with a real shot
at winning would show up with a heavy airplane anyway. People can even have
their tear sheets for the round. It just wont be listed in the
results. </DIV>
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<DIV>Arch<BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Mar 16, 2012, at 9:48 PM, John Gayer <<A
href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">jgghome@comcast.net</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Point taken about having to serve notice that you are going to
enforce a rule at a local contest. Note that Arch had to do that for the
Nats this year and such a clatter did arise....<BR><BR><BR>On 3/16/2012
6:53 PM, Dave Burton wrote:
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one issue about waive a rule notification in really bothers me in your
suggestion. Having to post in advance 30 days that a CD will enforce a
rule is counter to any other process I’ve seen. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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becoming clear -eliminating the max weight rule is the only system that
really works. LOL<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>John Gayer<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 16, 2012
8:20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> General pattern discussion<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposals<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>This won't work very well, in my opinion. Who is
going to the Nats if they start out 5-10% behind? This does nothing to
increase attendance and is detrimental to operation of local contests.
All it takes is an unhappy pilot feeling he was home-towned protesting
vociferously about the heavy airplane that just beat him and demanding a
weight check that might reverse the first and second places. <BR><BR>IF
the CD denies the protest, you've lost a pilot. If you do a weight check
and it fails, then you've lost a different pilot. To prevent this, a CD
must waive the weight rules on his sanction which is not normally done
now, although it should be. So extra work and/or hassle for the CD and
extra work for scorekeeper/scorekeeping systems. For what gain? A rule
that will not be enforced locally and will keep pilots away from the
Nats just as much as no weight allowance at all. <BR><BR>At the very
least, preface the rule proposal with something like:<BR>This weight
rule will be enforced at the Nats. If a CD chooses to include this
rule at a local contest, he must publicize that fact appropriately to
all potential attendees at least 30 days prior to the contest.
<BR><BR>At a local contest, this officially leaves us with no weight
rule at all in AMA classes. That's probably OK as we could reject on
size if needed. Personally I would only turn someone away if they
brought a 42% Extra to fly in Masters and maybe not even
then...<BR><BR>Cheers<BR>John<BR><BR><BR>On 3/15/2012 7:54 AM, <A
href="mailto:ronlock@comcast.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">ronlock@comcast.net</A> wrote: <O:P></O:P></P>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Hi
All,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Here is a copy of
another proposal for consideration by the Contest Board along with
the others that have been submitted.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">This one does not
disqualify a model for not meeting weight limits. It imposes a
score penalty, but still allows the <O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">model to
participate.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Ron
Lockhart<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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