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Dave, any flights at a legal weight will be scored. <br>
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On 3/16/2012 9:20 PM, Dave Burton wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ok
I understand. In effect the overweight planes will be DQ
after flight rather than before with no opportunity to make
weight for the flight. I assume any rounds he flies with a
legal weight will be scored either before or after the DQ?
Correct?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Archie Stafford<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 16, 2012 11:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposals<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dave,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The planes will not be weighted until the
completion of a flight so we would have no way to know the
weight until after the round. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is not pro-testable as it has been
published well in advance. Next year the ED can do it anyway
he chooses. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Arch<br>
Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Mar 16, 2012, at 10:08 PM, "Dave Burton" <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Arch,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">How
about the impact on other pilots, and especially those
judging, and other workers having to work for someone
who’s results won’t count. I think I’d probably resent
being asked to spend my time at the Nats judging a pilot
when his flights won’t be included in the results.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">How
is this process supported in the rules? Would not
ignoring of the rules be subject to a protest too? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
really doubt you’ll have anyone show up and fly under
these circumstances but if you do and you allow them to
fly you are letting them take up the time that could
better be used on” legal” contestants.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dave</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Archie Stafford<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 16, 2012 9:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules
Proposals</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hey, all I did was decide to enforce
an existing rule. Actually, I didn't have to say a thing
except for how it was going to be enforced. Frankly, if
I had the number of people available to strictly enforce
every rule, I would. If nothing else my decision has
at least sparked the debate about the rule. It has never
made sense to me to never enforce it. Personally I think
it needs to be left alone, but others don't. Even this
year, no one is saying you can't fly a heavy airplane.
You just wont get to keep the scores for that round. I
seriously doubt someone with a real shot at winning
would show up with a heavy airplane anyway. People can
even have their tear sheets for the round. It just wont
be listed in the results. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Arch<br>
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Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Mar 16, 2012, at 9:48 PM, John Gayer <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal">Point taken about having to serve
notice that you are going to enforce a rule at a local
contest. Note that Arch had to do that for the Nats
this year and such a clatter did arise....<br>
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On 3/16/2012 6:53 PM, Dave Burton wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">John,
one issue about waive a rule notification in really
bothers me in your suggestion. Having to post in
advance 30 days that a CD will enforce a rule is
counter to any other process I’ve seen. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It
becoming clear -eliminating the max weight rule is
the only system that really works. LOL</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 16, 2012 8:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules
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<p class="MsoNormal">This won't work very well, in my
opinion. Who is going to the Nats if they start out
5-10% behind? This does nothing to increase attendance
and is detrimental to operation of local contests. All
it takes is an unhappy pilot feeling he was
home-towned protesting vociferously about the heavy
airplane that just beat him and demanding a weight
check that might reverse the first and second places.
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IF the CD denies the protest, you've lost a pilot. If
you do a weight check and it fails, then you've lost a
different pilot. To prevent this, a CD must waive the
weight rules on his sanction which is not normally
done now, although it should be. So extra work and/or
hassle for the CD and extra work for
scorekeeper/scorekeeping systems. For what gain? A
rule that will not be enforced locally and will keep
pilots away from the Nats just as much as no weight
allowance at all. <br>
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At the very least, preface the rule proposal with
something like:<br>
This weight rule will be enforced at the Nats. If a
CD chooses to include this rule at a local contest,
he must publicize that fact appropriately to all
potential attendees at least 30 days prior to the
contest. <br>
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At a local contest, this officially leaves us with no
weight rule at all in AMA classes. That's probably OK
as we could reject on size if needed. Personally I
would only turn someone away if they brought a 42%
Extra to fly in Masters and maybe not even then...<br>
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Cheers<br>
John<br>
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On 3/15/2012 7:54 AM, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Hi
All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Here
is a copy of another proposal for consideration by
the Contest Board along with the others that have
been submitted.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">This
one does not disqualify a model for not meeting
weight limits. It imposes a score penalty, but
still allows the </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">model
to participate.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Ron
Lockhart</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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