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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Well I think I found the issue with the
Jeti and the Plettenberg. The problem was with the receiver. I recently got a
new radio, and installed the new rx in the plane, and then the issue started
showing up. I even went and borrowed a Jeti99Spin, to see if this would
resolve the issue, but it did not, so I started to think of everything that I
had changed, and decided to go back to my 8 channel receiver and voila,
everything is back to normal. Thanks to everyone for there input. Feels good
to have the problem behind me<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Robert Campbell<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 15, 2012
8:38 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Plettenberg 30-10 evo and Jeti ESC</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>My suggestion to limit throttle isn't to limit current draw. It's
to limit the motor RPM's so the ESC can remain synchronized with the
motor. If the motor turns faster than the ESC can handle, the motor will
begin screeching. I've only seen this on outrunners, never inrunners.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Rob</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com" title="bob@toprudder.com">Bob Richards</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Thursday, March
15, 2012 7:55 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Plettenberg 30-10 evo and Jeti ESC<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>That was my thought. I don't understand why one
would want to limit the throttle to something less than full. Why not install
a prop that loads the motor less?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Bob R.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Thu, 3/15/12, Peter Vogel <i><span
style='font-style:italic'><<a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>></span></i></span></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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From: Peter Vogel <<a href="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com">vogel.peter@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Plettenberg 30-10 evo and Jeti ESC<br>
To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">General pattern discussion</st1:PersonName>"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Cc: "General patterndiscussion"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Date: Thursday, March 15, 2012, 12:15 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Limiting throttle does NOT limit current to the
motor, in fact, it can cause higher current draw. All throttle does is
vary the on vs off cycle during which voltage is sent to the motor. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Peter+<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone4S<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Mar 14, 2012, at 7:29 PM, "Robert Green" <<a
href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=robcase1@cox.net"
target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:robcase1@cox.net">robcase1@cox.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=yiv312173478msonormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Rob, the Static amps
on the ground is 81 amps. My throttle is limited to 85 percent.
Even changed out the speed controller and the same thing
happened. Really wish i knew what was going on?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv312173478msonormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Robert Campbell<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, March 14, 2012
9:18 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">General
pattern discussion</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Plettenberg 30-10 evo and Jeti ESC</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv312173478msonormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Robert,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv312173478msonormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Which Jeti are you running?
Advance or Spin? Just a guess, but all the outrunners I've
run require low timing advance and some require fixed end points and the
throttle to be limited to 70 percent or so. Also, have your checked
your set-up on a watt meter? Sometimes our set-ups pull more current
than we were expecting and the ESC over current protection kicks in.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv312173478msonormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hope this helps.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv312173478msonormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Rob</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv312173478msonormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv312173478msonormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=robcase1@cox.net"
target="_blank" title="robcase1@cox.net" ymailto="mailto:robcase1@cox.net">Robert
Green</a> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
target="_blank" title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General pattern
discussion'</a> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv312173478msonormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>
Wednesday, March 14, 2012 8:19 PM</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv312173478msonormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> [NSRCA-discussion]
Plettenberg 30-10 evo and Jeti ESC</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv312173478msonormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Is anyone out there running this
combo. Went flying today, and had some issue with the speed controller
cutting out when i was setting up for my approach into the pattern. I
was pulling up and advanced the throttle to do an reverse cuban eight to get
into my pattern, when the motor suddenly quit. I pulled the throttle
back and advanced it once again and the motor came back it did this on every
flight except the first flight where i had no issues whatsoever. my
setting are high timing for the motor, low cut off voltage, acceleration
high,</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=yiv312173478msonormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>thnaks in advance</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p>
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