Earl,<br> Thank you sir. I think OSHA requires HAZMAT recurrent training and licensing as well!<br><br>Have a good weekend,<br>Scott<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:36 PM, ehaury <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ejhaury@comcast.net">ejhaury@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial">Scott</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Derek & I've swapped notes on this and I expect he'll
seek clarification. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">I also understand that your original note is regarding the
AMA rule proposal. The FAI reference just could stand some clearing up.
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<div><font face="Arial">It could be worse, OSHA would require a locking enclosure
over the battery connection with personal padlocks & tags from everyone
associated with the thing.</font></div><div class="im">
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<div><font face="Arial">Earl</font></div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b>
<a title="scmcharg@gmail.com" href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com" target="_blank">Scott McHarg</a>
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</div><div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 15, 2012 3:30
PM</div><div><div class="h5">
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Safety
Proposal amended</div>
<div><br></div>Earl,<br> I agree with you 100% and the
conversation was as such with him. I gave examples of the Anderson Poll
Maxx Products disarming plug which actually does physically break the circuit
and was told no. I do understand how the Emcotec would not work.
That does not physically break the connection and, more importantly, fails
closed. I've been actually talking a little bit to Maxx Prod guys about
getting Emcotec to develop and fail open device. I'd like to have one if
for no other reason than it looks cool! Sorry, I had to say
it.<br><br>Most important is to note that we are working on AMA proposals and
not FAI. I was just trying to make sure people understood that
phraseology was not being structured into the proposal.<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:21 PM, ehaury <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ejhaury@comcast.net" target="_blank">ejhaury@comcast.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial">Scott </font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">There may be some terminology issues here. A disarming
"SWITCH" was determined to not meet the disconnect requirements, as a switch
makes / breaks a circuit internally making it impossible for an official to
quickly determine which position is on or off. OTOH, an
external disarming "PLUG" or "KEY" or "CONNECTOR" doesn't have
that problem. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Derek may have had further discussions with the
F3A committee regarding this since the WC - I can only speak to what the
official interpretation was at the Worlds.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Earl</font></div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 15, 2012 3:13
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<div><br></div>I'd like to see it as well Earl. This was verbatim
from Derek Koopowitz. I had to rely on him because what I originally
wanted to say in public, I ran passed Derek and he said that was not the
case. He said you may use a disarm plug but that did not satisfy the
FAI requirement to display disconnected batteries.<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:09 PM, ehaury <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ejhaury@comcast.net" target="_blank">ejhaury@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial">Scott</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Where do you find this
interpretation?</font></div>
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<div><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fbfcff" face="Verdana"> "A
disarm plug is NOT allowed to demonstrate a disconnect - there has to be
a physical disconnect of the wiring and must be seen by an official."
</font></div>
<div><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fbfcff" face="Verdana"></font> </div></div>
<div><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fbfcff" face="Verdana">This was not
the case for the 2011 WC. I participated in the TM meeting where it was
initially stated that both battery leads would need to be disconnected.
After some discussion the jury, ED & TD (me) determined that
one lead was sufficient and it didn't matter if it was internal or
external. Most of the E competitors made the connect / disconnect
internally, often with the person doing it exposed to the prop arc.
Models were also removed from the runway, so as not to impede the next
competitor, before making the EoF disconnect (before returning to the
pits). I was one of the officials watching for this.</font></div>
<div><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fbfcff" face="Verdana"></font> </div>
<div><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fbfcff" face="Verdana">If the quoted
interpretation is official, then so be it - but I'd like to see the
publication.</font></div>
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<div><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fbfcff" face="Verdana">Earl</font></div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 15, 2012
12:27 PM</div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion]
Safety Proposal amended</div>
<div><br></div><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(251,252,255);FONT-FAMILY:Verdana,Arial">With
a passing vote of the NSRCA BoD, we respectfully submit to you the new
Safety Proposal. Essentially, the Safety Proposal that is
currently with the AMA is being retracted and two new proposals put in
its place. The first one is simply the Fail-safe proposal that
was part of the submitted Safety Proposal. Then, the second new
proposal will replace 6.9(a) as 6.9.1 and <u style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">directly quoted and out of the current FAI
Sporting Code</u>. The referred section is on page 16 in 5.1.11
of the FAI Sporting Code for 2012. Please note that in FAI, in
order to follow the rule, the disconnect must happen right after
landing before the helper picks up the plane. A disarm plug is
NOT allowed to demonstrate a disconnect - there has to be a physical
disconnect of the wiring and must be seen by an official.
Interesting huh!</span>
<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(251,252,255);FONT-FAMILY:Verdana,Arial;FONT-SIZE:13px"><span style="FONT-SIZE:small"><br></span></div>
<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(251,252,255);FONT-FAMILY:Verdana,Arial;FONT-SIZE:13px"><span style="FONT-SIZE:small">Before anyone says it, I disagree that the
arming plug does not constitute a physical break in the wiring.
Through some consideration and advice from people that have run
the Worlds, the plug is external and does not constitute proof that
the physical connection internally has happened. That's the FAI
rule. As submitted, that part is <u style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold">not</u> written into the proposal.
It is simply the direct quote from the FAI Sporting Code.
Here is the exact verbiage of the new proposals as submitted to
the AMA. I don't know when AMA will get the physical proposals
up on their site.</span></div>
<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(251,252,255);FONT-FAMILY:Verdana,Arial;FONT-SIZE:13px"><span style="FONT-SIZE:small"><br></span></div>
<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(251,252,255);FONT-FAMILY:Verdana,Arial;FONT-SIZE:13px"><span style="FONT-SIZE:small"><b><u>New Proposal for
6.9</u></b></span></div>
<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(251,252,255);FONT-FAMILY:Verdana,Arial;FONT-SIZE:13px"><span style="FONT-SIZE:small"><br></span></div>
<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(251,252,255);FONT-FAMILY:Verdana,Arial;FONT-SIZE:13px"><span style="FONT-SIZE:small"><span>6.9 – Propeller safety - All
contestants using radio equipment with a failsafe function shall be
able to demonstrate that propeller rotation will either stop or reduce
to an idle RPM when the transmitter is powered down while the aircraft
receiver system is powered on. Idle RPM for this purpose is
defined as an RPM during which the model will remain stationary when
already motionless.</span></span></div>
<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(251,252,255);FONT-FAMILY:Verdana,Arial;FONT-SIZE:13px"><span style="FONT-SIZE:small"><span><br></span></span></div>
<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(251,252,255);FONT-FAMILY:Verdana,Arial;FONT-SIZE:13px"><span style="FONT-SIZE:small"><span><b><u>New Proposal for
6.9.1</u></b></span></span></div>
<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(251,252,255);FONT-FAMILY:Verdana,Arial;FONT-SIZE:13px"><span style="FONT-SIZE:small"><span><br></span></span></div>
<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:rgb(251,252,255);FONT-FAMILY:Verdana,Arial;FONT-SIZE:13px"><span style="FONT-SIZE:small"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Times New Roman',serif">6.9.1 – For electric
powered models, the electric power circuit(s) must not be physically
connected, before the starting time is begun and must be physically
disconnected immediately after
landing.</span><span> </span></span></div>
<div><br></div>-- <br><b style="COLOR:rgb(51,51,255)"><font style="FONT-FAMILY:comic sans ms,sans-serif" size="4">Scott A.
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