<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><font size="3">. . . . . . . and no online video games, satellite TV, Android phones, mp3 players, iPads, etc. There are plenty of other things to distract us. I don't think drawing a conclusion that changing rule "X" had result "Y" is valid. There are may other influences at work . . .kind of like </font>predicting<font size="3"> he weather. The only thing we know for sure is what did happen, not what will.</font></span></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "> </div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">Bob Kane<br>getterflash@yahoo.com<br></div> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div style="font-size: 12pt;
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<div class="yiv1641604076MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: sans-serif; ">that is all true but there were no imac and no helicopters and
no indoor and no jets. I believe that is the main reason for reduction in
attendance. it has nothing to do with the very minor adjustment to the
weight rule or other changes that have occurred. btw, I am only supporting
a weight rule change of 16 oz or less. just want to loosen the belt a
little, not change clothes.</span></div>
<div class="yiv1641604076MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: sans-serif; ">mike </span></div>
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Whodaddy
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 12, 2012 11:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
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<div class="yiv1641604076MsoNormal">Having flown back then I remember 50+ at contests.. We were
lucky to get 3 or 4 , 4 being the norm,rounds depending on the efficiency of
the contest officials,, not really missing traveling for 4 rounds. But would
love to see increased numbers.. Such is life..</div>
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On Mar 12, 2012, at 10:30 AM, "Del" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com">drykert2@rochester.rr.com</a>>
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<div class="yiv1641604076MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"sans-serif";color:blue;" class="yui_3_2_0_17_1331647878263220">Not sure if you hark back tot he 70's with 68 in attendance
at local contests. That contest has withered and never gone back to even close
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<div class="yiv1641604076MsoNormal" style="background:#E4E4E4;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; "> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bob@toprudder.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:bob@toprudder.com" title="bob@toprudder.com">Bob Richards</a> </span></div>
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<div class="yiv1641604076MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">To:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; "> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> </span></div>
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<div class="yiv1641604076MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; "> Monday, March 12,
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<div class="yiv1641604076MsoNormal">That may be so, but I don't see how this particular
proposal would have that effect. Is anyone serious about leaving the hobby
because of the weight rule proposal? Is anyone who was contemplating pattern
competition going to be turned off by it?</div>
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<div class="yiv1641604076MsoNormal">Keep in mind there will always be chronic complainers. How
many times did I hear that "four-strokes are going to ruin the
sport" or "turnaround ..." or "noise rules ...", etc
etc. Some did leave the hobby, but there will always be turnover. Some of
them will feel the need to give an excuse whether it really is the reason. I
will say that some of the largest local contests I ever attended were
AFTER all of those game-ruining rules that I mentioned. </div>
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<div class="yiv1641604076MsoNormal">The whole hobby of model airplanes has changed
significantly in the last 10-15 years, with many more venues to
divide one's time in the hobby - pattern is an overall smaller piece of the
pie as a result. I personally don't think that anything about the rules can
be blamed for any downturn in pattern contest attendance. Nor do I
think that tweaking the rules we have will magically breath new life into it.
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--- On <b>Sun, 3/11/12, Del <i><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com">drykert2@rochester.rr.com</a>></i></b>
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From: Del <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com">drykert2@rochester.rr.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposals<br>
To: "General pattern discussion" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
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<div class="yiv1641604076MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; ">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: sans-serif; "> Sunday, March 11,
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<div class="yiv1641604076MsoNormal">For the life of me, I can't see why everyone is getting
bent out of shape over the proposed weight limt rule for the lower
classes. It opens up the possibilities for someone wanting to get started
in pattern and competing in the lower classes, IMHO. If someone in the
upper classes has a plane that is at the weight limit, but is unable to
repair the plane without it going over the limit, then it becomes a perfect
hand-me-down for someone getting started. </div>
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<div class="yiv1641604076MsoNormal">The fact is that the proposed rule does not exclude
any planes that are already legal. The guys that build light know they
should have a better flying plane than one that is heavier. The only reason
I can think of that people with light planes can get upset with this rule
is that someone with a heavier plane might beat them. </div>
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<div class="yiv1641604076MsoNormal">OTOH, how often are models weighed at local contests? I
never saw it done in the years I flew, but that was before the electrics
came on the scene. Tell me, does any CD weigh planes at a local event now?
If not, then I am really confused about weight limit discussions where
someone says it is ruining things to raise the weight limit, when no one is
checking it at local contests anyway. Why all the fuss (one way or the
other) about a rule that no one enforces except at the Nats?</div>
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<div class="yiv1641604076MsoNormal">I really don't have a dog in this hunt. I'm just
confused about all the strongly worded comments going back and forth. This,
IMHO, does more to turn people off from pattern than any rule change
proposal.</div>
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