<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">I give what are the new rules.<br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 3/13/12, Pete Cosky <i><pcosky@comcast.net></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Pete Cosky <pcosky@comcast.net><br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposals<br>To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 3:24 PM<br><br><div id="yiv997942144"><div><div>I did not mean to be condescending, and am sorry if I slighted you. The weight rule has been the rule for more than a minute and I did say that the fact is it only impacts those who choose to compete at the Nation Level. If you don't fly at the NATS who is going to care?</div><div><br></div><div>Again, I did not mean to be condescending and I
apologize.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><span id="yiv997942144OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;color:black;BORDER-BOTTOM:medium none;BORDER-LEFT:medium none;PADDING-BOTTOM:0in;PADDING-LEFT:0in;PADDING-RIGHT:0in;BORDER-TOP:#b5c4df 1pt solid;BORDER-RIGHT:medium none;PADDING-TOP:3pt;"><span style="font-weight:bold;">From: </span> Dave Burton <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:burtona@atmc.net" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=burtona@atmc.net">burtona@atmc.net</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold;">Reply-To: </span> General pattern discussion <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold;">Date: </span> Tue, 13 Mar 2012 13:50:19 -0400<br><span style="font-weight:bold;">To: </span> 'General pattern
discussion' <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject: </span> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposals<br></div><div><br></div><div><style><!--
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--></style><div lang="EN-US" style="word-wrap:break-word;"><div class="yiv997942144WordSection1"><p class="yiv997942144MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">I fly Masters Class and I have a Wind S 110 I could fly at contest. There’s no comparison between the way it flies and my 11.25 lb Integral. It’s really very condescending to suggest that since you make weight with whatever you fly that I should fly something that is not near as good as my 11.25 Integral because I don’t want to spend another $300-$400 on the Integral. And we also know that a 11.25 Integral is already at a disadvantage to a 10.9 lb. plane. Why can’t you agree to let me make the choice of spending the extra money or flying with a plane that’s already at a disadvantage due to the extra weight? We are really arguing about a weight limit that’s not even important with today’s planes and rules package. If it was
important we would weigh planes at every contest.</span></p><p class="yiv997942144MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Dave Burton</span></p><p class="yiv997942144MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="yiv997942144MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif;"> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank"
href="/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Pete Cosky<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:04 PM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposals</span></p></div></div><p class="yiv997942144MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="yiv997942144MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">I really was going to try and stay out of this , but…..I am left with questions and a few of my brain droppings.</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv997942144MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="yiv997942144MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">So the 115 gram increase for Sportsman, Intermediate and Advanced was not enough? Masters needs a weight
increase? Ok, I'll bite, lets consider that by the time you fly Masters you have clearly made a decision to compete and meet the rules. Let us further consider that Masters and FAI pilots can, for the most part, fly either. So if you allow heavier planes in Masters and the Masters pilot wants to try FAI he is now not in compliance. Then again if we want to make sure everyone that wants to compete at the NATS can then we need to make sure that those pilots that are making the jump from Sportsman, Intermediate or Advanced directly to FAI will not be unduly financially burdened by having to by a new airframe to make weight.</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv997942144MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="yiv997942144MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">We can also go so far as to say that nowhere in the rules does it say
that you must compete with a 2 meter airframe. That is a limit, you can use a smaller airframe and make weight easily. The Wind 1.10, Osiris, or Monolog 1.10 would all fill that role. If a competitor <u>chooses</u> to fly a 2M bird then you need to take the good with the bad, take the perceived better presentation along with the power system cost and weight. Also, if you are flying at the NATS, and lets just face facts that this is where these rules are enforced, you have made a decision to compete at a <u>National Level</u> and need to meet the rules. Oh, and let us not forget that you will also have the resources to get to Muncie and stay a week.</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv997942144MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="yiv997942144MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">There was a 1/4 pound allowance given
for Sportsman-Advanced which is a lot of balsa and/or epoxy. I'm no top competitor and never will be nor am I a master builder but I meet the rules without that allowance on the plane I built and will on my hand-me-down plane as well swinging an APC prop, and all heat sinks intact. I do not have deep pockets but I <u>chose</u> to fly a 2M plane so I did my homework and broke out the scale.</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv997942144MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="yiv997942144MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">If it truely is cost that is the issue, don't buy the biggest and the best. This is supposed to be about the best pilot not the best gear which is sadly lost in the ambient room noise. Again a Wind 1.10 is legal and can fly Masters.</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv997942144MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="yiv997942144MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Just my $2.98 ($0.02 adjusted for inflation)</span></p></div><div><p class="yiv997942144MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="yiv997942144MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span></p></div></div></div></div> _______________________________________________
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