<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Having flown back then I remember 50+ at contests.. We were lucky to get 3 or 4 , 4 being the norm,rounds depending on the efficiency of the contest officials,, not really missing traveling for 4 rounds. But would love to see increased numbers.. Such is life..</div><div><br></div><div>Gary<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Mar 12, 2012, at 10:30 AM, "Del" <<a href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com">drykert2@rochester.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div><strong><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Not sure if you hark back tot he
70's with 68 in attendance at local contests. That contest has withered
and never gone back to even close to those numbers. </font></strong></div>
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<div>That may be so, but I don't see how this particular proposal would
have that effect. Is anyone serious about leaving the hobby because of
the weight rule proposal? Is anyone who was contemplating pattern
competition going to be turned off by it?</div>
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<div>Keep in mind there will always be chronic complainers. How many
times did I hear that "four-strokes are going to ruin the sport" or
"turnaround ..." or "noise rules ...", etc etc. Some did leave the
hobby, but there will always be turnover. Some of them will feel the
need to give an excuse whether it really is the reason. I will say
that some of the largest local contests I ever attended were AFTER
all of those game-ruining rules that I mentioned. </div>
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<div>The whole hobby of model airplanes has changed significantly in the
last 10-15 years, with many more venues to divide one's time
in the hobby - pattern is an overall smaller piece of the pie as a
result. I personally don't think that anything about the rules can be
blamed for any downturn in pattern contest attendance. Nor do
I think that tweaking the rules we have will magically breath new life
into it. </div>
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<div>Bob R.</div>
<div><br><br>--- On <b>Sun, 3/11/12, Del
<i><<a href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com">drykert2@rochester.rr.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div>
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Del <<a href="mailto:drykert2@rochester.rr.com">drykert2@rochester.rr.com</a>><br>Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposals<br>To: "General pattern discussion"
<<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Date: Sunday, March 11,
2012, 2:56 PM<br><br>
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<div><strong><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Poorly disguised rule
changes have driven more from the sport than any words or hashing
about the sport. </font></strong></div>
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<div><strong><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"> Del
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<div>Guys,</div>
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<div>For the life of me, I can't see why everyone is getting
bent out of shape over the proposed weight limt rule for
the lower classes. It opens up the possibilities for someone
wanting to get started in pattern and competing in the lower
classes, IMHO. If someone in the upper classes has a
plane that is at the weight limit, but is unable to repair the
plane without it going over the limit, then it becomes a
perfect hand-me-down for someone getting started. </div>
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<div>The fact is that the proposed rule does not exclude
any planes that are already legal. The guys that build light
know they should have a better flying plane than one that is
heavier. The only reason I can think of that people with light
planes can get upset with this rule is that someone with a
heavier plane might beat them. </div>
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<div>OTOH, how often are models weighed at local contests? I
never saw it done in the years I flew, but that was before the
electrics came on the scene. Tell me, does any CD weigh planes
at a local event now? If not, then I am really confused
about weight limit discussions where someone says it is
ruining things to raise the weight limit, when no one is
checking it at local contests anyway. Why all the fuss (one
way or the other) about a rule that no one enforces except at
the Nats?</div>
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<div>I really don't have a dog in this hunt. I'm just confused
about all the strongly worded comments going back and forth.
This, IMHO, does more to turn people off from pattern than any
rule change proposal.</div>
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<div>Bob R.</div>
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