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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I think we
could easily accommodate another pound without increasing wing loading or
exceeding 2M or going to a biplane. Heavier may be a little more solid in turbulent
air and useful if excess thrust is still available. Splitting a manufacturers
market to accommodate FAI and AMA legal designs that surly will evolve to be
significantly different will likely increase the cost of both.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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watching and judging the integrated stuff being flown I'd agree an even larger
volume fuselage, more like a Gee Bee, able to support the weight well in any attitude
could be beneficial, needing the wings only for low speed low AOT take off and
landing and visible reference.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle20><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The
problem is deviating from FAI. We went to a lot of trouble some years back to
get AMA rules in alignment with FAI so competitors could move from one to the
other without having to get new or different equipment. Yes I know there are a
lot of us that will never fly FAI and see no need to align our rules and we already
have judging differences, but that’s another issue.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mark Atwood<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:36
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Rules Proposals</span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Simply put,
if SIZE was indeed the limiting factor, that would be the constraint that
people would be trying to adjust. It's not. People are hitting the
weight limit because they're trying to go bigger and bigger. As Dave
pointed out, there are LOTS of FULL 2M planes that would come in under 10lbs,
much less 11lbs, from days of old. </span></font><font color=black><span
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On Mar 11,
2012, at 11:14 AM, Dave Lockhart wrote:</span></font><font color=black><span
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I
see lots of points below about why to NOT increase the weight limit.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> </u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>With
respect to the aircraft size being limited by size, that is simply not the
case. If that were true, we’d still be flying 9 lb 78” long Prophecies
from 1998. We aren’t, we are flying much larger volume BIGGER planes than
weigh more and cost more. The history is very clear on this and easy
enough to research. Size has not been and is still not the limiting
factor.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'> </u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I’m
not hypothesizing about reductions in numbers being associated with rules
changes…..the history is very clear….and most have never returned.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I
think you are correct – if some of the “behavior” on this list were evidenced
in person, it would turn off new flyers. However, I think much of the “behavior”
was literary license, exaggeration, etc to make a point(s).<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color="#1f497d"
face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Regards,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><br>
Dave L<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<u1:p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span class=apple-converted-space><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black'> </span></font></span><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b>Peter Vogel<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:52 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposals<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Weight limit
increase: Why is it a mistake? Given the size limitations in place,
there's a practical limit on the wing loading above which the plane is going to
fly like crap, people who take care with their weight will have an advantage,
people who don't won't, but can fly their plane and compete. It's easy to
make weight even at relatively low cost given airframes like the 2M Vanquish
and the 2M Osiris. If you are concerned about the craftsmanship aspect of
making weight with a hand-built plane, that horse left the barn long ago since
the builder of the model rule hasn't applied to pattern as far back as I can
find rules. I have thought it a _little_ unfair that the fuel guys get to
weigh in empty and the electric guys have to weigh in with batteries in place,
but I get why that's the case, and, like I said, it's not hard to make weight.
For the guys who choose to compete with a heavyweight plane, I don't
doubt that as they learn more and advance in the sport they'll tune their plane
to compete well and the plane will go on a diet or be replaced.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I'll be
honest, I don't think the shrinkage (or growth) in competition is due to any
rules change, yes, there will be the folks for whom all change is immediately
bad and they may choose to leave, but I think if they truly enjoy competition,
they'll adapt and move on. What fundamentally impacts the growth (or not)
of the sport is the experience a new pilot has at his or her first few
competitions. If the people they meet are friendly and welcoming, if
performing in front of judges gets the adrenaline going and they enjoy the
experience, then they'll stick around and may seek even more competitions then
they'd planned (that's what happened to me). On the other hand, if the
people they meet behave in person the way some of the people I've seen on this
list behave, or they get elitist and start grousing about weight, or look at
the new guy's plane and laugh about "pissing glue" then that person
will not be back unless there's something deep in his DNA that is triggered by
precisely controlling an aircraft through a sequence of maneuvers from the
ground -- that person will come back no matter what others say and regardless
of what rules do or do not change. <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On Sun, Mar
11, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Dave Lockhart <<a href="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</a>>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Matt,<br>
<br>
I agree 100% increasing the weight limit is a mistake, and I seriously<br>
regret supporting the prior increase of 115 grams....it was just the first<br>
step down a slippery slope.<br>
<br>
I'd also note that it is not just the electric guys pushing for the weight<br>
increase. In fact, it is much easier to make weight with electric today<br>
than it was several years ago.<br>
<br>
Of course you are 100% right about technology catching up IF things are left<br>
alone. Of course the 115 gram change hasn't been in effect long enough to<br>
see the full impact of it. Highest performance and lowest cost are two<br>
ideas that never coexist no matter what the rules are.....but some don't<br>
understand that.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Dave<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 1:03 PM<br>
To: General pattern discussion<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposals<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I second what
Stuart is saying here. I've kept my mouth shut just observing<br>
throughout all this discussion mainly because I'm not a member of the NSRCA.<br>
Why am I not a member? I can't remember the last time the NSRCA represented<br>
my interests. To propose a weight rule change is a huge mistake. Hopefully<br>
the contest board has better sense (and experience) than the NSRCA<br>
leadership. Being the AMA-recognized special interest group for Pattern is a<br>
huge responsibility. Changes to what we do should not be taken lightly, nor<br>
should they be left up to a 50% + 1 vote on a website. Sometimes leadership<br>
and experience need to step in and stand up to those who are barking the<br>
loudest about not being able to make weight. In this instance, the squeaky<br>
wheel doesn't necessarily deserve the grease. Well, whetever. It's not like<br>
I would just stop flying pattern if a weight increase was passed, but I<br>
think it would tarnish the image of pattern. Perhaps irrevocably. Once a<br>
change like this happ ens, it cannot ever be taken back. Let's say 2 - 3<br>
years from now as battery technology continues to improve (because let's<br>
face it, the only people who want weight limit increases are electric guys),<br>
and the batteries get lighter and lighter, you may have now given electric<br>
planes an advantage. Rules are already in place to allow anyone to try<br>
pattern without needing to make weight. Rules were recently passed to allow<br>
the lower classes a variance so that they get a little leeway as they move<br>
up. Leave things alone, and the technology will catch up to the rules, as it<br>
always has in the past (2-stroke to 4-stroke migration).<br>
<br>
Matt<br>
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---- Stuart Chale <<a href="mailto:schale1@verizon.net">schale1@verizon.net</a>>
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