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Dan,<br>
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It's really not clear to me what your problem is. At least the
appearance is that you do not trust the BOD to provide you with
honest leadership. There are three members out of five on the rules
committee that are current members of the BOD. This is a
hard-working committee that has shown itself capable of compromise
and turned these proposals around very quickly. It is one thing for
you to disagree vehemently with the committee and another to accuse
the members of lying, hidden agendas and falsifying surveys.
Apparently "volunteer" is also a dirty word but the NSRCA would not
function without them. If this is all true than I'm wasting my time
with this post as I must be part of the problem. Scott has been an
honest and open leader of the committee. He has the full support of
the committee and the board. Having a survey to obtain input from
the membership and the pattern community as a whole was Scott's
idea. The raw survey data is not modifiable by Scott. He can access
it for results and that is all. To suggest that he or anyone else on
the committee would falsify results is very insulting. <br>
<br>
The rules committee is operating at the direction of the board. The
board members were presented with the four topics that have evolved
as rule change proposals. The board was presented with the original
outline in January that led to the formation of a committee and has
also been presented with the current versions of the proposals prior
to the survey. I'm sure many of the board members have also seen the
vitriol poured on the committee by a few online. All I have received
from the board at this point are words of encouragement.<br>
<br>
This does not mean that all the proposals as presented by the
committee will get a rubber stamp of approval from the board. The
committee expects further modification or possible dismissal of
proposals based on the survey and opinions/amendments/votes of
board members. No matter whether the proposals are passed as is,
modified or dropped, there will be some unhappy folks on the board,
the committee and the pattern community as there are supporters and
detractors for all the proposals.<br>
<br>
I have always thought that all those great pattern folks I have met
around the country and the world are capable of civil discourse,
amiable disagreement and serious compromise when it comes to matters
like these. What I have seen online about these four proposals and
the imputed ethics of the committee members has shaken my faith. It
has not, however, shaken my desire to see this task through to the
end.<br>
<br>
John Gayer<br>
NSRCA Treasurer<br>
Rules Committee member<br>
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On 2/17/2012 8:52 PM, Dan Curtis wrote:
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<div>Okay, that is it! I asked because I want to know, I
have served on the board for several years prior and we were
asked to prove darn near everything we did, including
surveys. So if you want to attack with a C'mon Man so be it.
From the views you expressed on RCU we know how you stand on
the main issue of weight, from the minutes of the meetings for
this year we know that you were able to select "volonteers" to
complete your committee, we know that the preamble was written
in a way to present the board as being for the proposed
changes, so we know that some seem to have an agenda. You
asked for it so you got it. So it would appear that we have
no real verifiable way of supporting survey results one way or
the other.</div>
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<div>I seldom post on this forum, since it usually just banter
between old friends and foes and full of insider jokes but
these so called proposals are things that should be discussed
on this forum. They should have been discussed prior to being
placed in any type of survey. They affect our sport and I
believe your survey will show that they would effect it
adversely. We have been through all of this before, over and
over on weight. It seems like a resurecting ghost that we
can't keep underground. </div>
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<div>The fact that you seem so defensive of your baby also adds
to my doubt about this whole fiasco. Now, lay off the
attacks and either answer the questions or ingnore them, your
choice Mr. Chairman.</div>
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<div>Dan<br>
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Dan,<br>
It was actually 16 times you voted including your
original. I've taken care of the extras for you. As far as
factual, really? Do you honestly think that way? They will
be factual because we are here to serve you. If the
majority says they don't like something, what would be the
purpose of doing it? If we wanted to push our own agendas,
why even have a survey? C'mon Man!<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 9:31 PM,
Dan Curtis <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>Well, lets hope that is true, I only voted
about 15 times so not a problem.</div>
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<div>One other question, how will we know the
results are factual? </div>
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<div>Dan<br>
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Hi Dan,<br>
It just makes more work for me (which I'm
sure Keith H. would enjoy greatly as he
seems to have his panties in a wad). We
have several filters in place so I'll just
filter out the duplicate entries. We will
know who is trying to "pad the results".
There were several folks that were having
trouble accessing the system so we had to
remove the one time per user. Either way,
only the initial entry will be taken and if
a bunch go in just to screw it up for
everyone, we'll just shut it down. You're
right, it makes it a bit useless when people
do that.<br>
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Have a good weekend,<br>
Scott<br>
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2012 at 9:04 PM, Dan Curtis <span
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<div>Guys,</div>
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<div>When the survey was put up on
the website I filled it out and
submitted my answers. Then I
could not get back in to the
survey. Which I assume was to
stop a person from voting more
than once. Well, I was on the
website earlier tonight and for
the heck of it I hit the survey
link and low and behold I was back
in and was able to fill the survey
out again. If I hit submit, I get
the results sumitted message. It
appears that a person can vote as
many times as they see fit now. I
had another person or two try the
same thing with the same results.
Is this feature okay or is it
making the survey results a bit
useless?</div>
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<div>It may still be only countng
the first time you voted or
submitted but that is not the way
it appears. Anybody got an
answer???</div>
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