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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle22><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanks for
the suggestion, I'll plug in a reoccurring appointment into my outlook calendar
as a reminder.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Joe Lachowski<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, February 18, 2012
10:21 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NSRCA Discussion List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposals Survey</span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>I
just want to remind people that this time around the NSRCA did not
follow the traditonal route. In the past, a survey of questions would be sent
out and based on those survey results, proposals were prepared and submitted.
This time, however, proposals were made on limited input from the
membership. Of course this could be blamed on not getting this
going say in September so that there would be sufficient time to
generate and get responses to the survey prior to generating the proposals.
As you can see the result has been a lot of unnecessary heated
arguments here. I would like to make a suggestion that the
Judging/Rules Committee generate a standard procedure with timeframes
etc. so this dosen't happen again much like we did for the Sequence Committee.
Don't know if it is possible, but maybe we need an automatic calendar
reminder of some sort that the processes for rules and new sequences need
to get going in the future. Every two years comes up fast and I think this
time around the NSRCA got caught with its pants down.<g><br>
<br>
I may not agree with much of what was proposed, but Scott and crew did the best
they could on short notice.<br>
<br>
PS- Ready to dodge bullets when the proposed sequences become public.
<g><br>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Date:
Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:46:56 -0700<br>
From: jgghome@comcast.net<br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposals Survey<br>
<br>
Del,<br>
<br>
There is no way to create a survey that would please everyone. It was put
together quickly in order to get it out there in front of you. Could it have
been done better? Yes, probably. However, it is always possible to contact any
member of the committee or the board directly if you have constructive comments
or reasoned arguments on either the proposals or the approach taken to present
the proposals. <br>
The problem I have, and responded to, is with the attitude that because I don't
agree with a position, that I must be a liar and a cheat who is prepared to do
anything to promote an agenda. These kind of unfounded personal attacks have no
place in the hobby. Dan was not the first, nor probably the last, to use this
approach. It will not work.<br>
<br>
John<br>
<br>
On 2/18/2012 7:58 AM, Del wrote: </span></font><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;margin-left:1.0in'><strong><b><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Not that Dan needs
defending ~~ in the past the rules survey's that were presented to the members
at large have not in every case been followed with the majority of votes. None
of those people are currently in office but once that occurs it does taint the office
for some in the community for life. Is that fair or reasonable.. Of course not
but it is real and it does happen for some. The survey's could always be better
presented with options that aren't even up for choice in many surveys. Which
forces people into answering against their true honest feelings some times in
order to contribute something in hopes of solution and resolution to the
survey. Better to have a survey than not have one at all. But
in all fairness to the masses some leeway with their allowing write ins or
at least more choices to get the best grasp of what is truly acceptable to the
majority. It not be easy to create a fair and balanced survey with some hot
potatoes ( weight being one e.g.. ) Use the rational that something would
be safer if more weight was allowed shows a bias that something is unsafe
because of being forced to meet a limit. If others are doing it safely either
they have deeper pockets or a bigger imagination. I have never found as a group
a more safer bunch of fliers I don't feel nervous around that precision pattern
pilots. Their have been few and rare exceptions but they were one timers at
local events. </span></font></b></strong><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'> Del</span></font></b></strong><font
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<div style='font-color:black'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:jgghome@comcast.net" title="jgghome@comcast.net">John Gayer</a> </span></font></div>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"
title="nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</a> </span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Saturday, February 18,
2012 1:21 AM</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Proposals Survey</span></font><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Dan,<br>
<br>
It's really not clear to me what your problem is. At least the appearance is
that you do not trust the BOD to provide you with honest leadership. There are
three members out of five on the rules committee that are current members of
the BOD. This is a hard-working committee that has shown itself capable
of compromise and turned these proposals around very quickly. It is one thing
for you to disagree vehemently with the committee and another to accuse the
members of lying, hidden agendas and falsifying surveys. Apparently "volunteer"
is also a dirty word but the NSRCA would not function without them. If this is
all true than I'm wasting my time with this post as I must be part of the
problem. Scott has been an honest and open leader of the committee. He has the
full support of the committee and the board. Having a survey to obtain
input from the membership and the pattern community as a whole was Scott's
idea. The raw survey data is not modifiable by Scott. He can access it for
results and that is all. To suggest that he or anyone else on the committee
would falsify results is very insulting. <br>
<br>
The rules committee is operating at the direction of the board. The board
members were presented with the four topics that have evolved as rule change
proposals. The board was presented with the original outline in January that
led to the formation of a committee and has also been presented with the
current versions of the proposals prior to the survey. I'm sure many of the
board members have also seen the vitriol poured on the committee by a few
online. All I have received from the board at this point are words of
encouragement.<br>
<br>
This does not mean that all the proposals as presented by the committee will
get a rubber stamp of approval from the board. The committee expects further
modification or possible dismissal of proposals based on the survey and
opinions/amendments/votes of board members. No matter whether the
proposals are passed as is, modified or dropped, there will be some unhappy
folks on the board, the committee and the pattern community as there are
supporters and detractors for all the proposals.<br>
<br>
I have always thought that all those great pattern folks I have met
around the country and the world are capable of civil discourse, amiable
disagreement and serious compromise when it comes to matters like these. What I
have seen online about these four proposals and the imputed ethics of the
committee members has shaken my faith. It has not, however, shaken my desire to
see this task through to the end.<br>
<br>
John Gayer<br>
NSRCA Treasurer<br>
Rules Committee member<br>
<br>
On 2/17/2012 8:52 PM, Dan Curtis wrote: </span></font><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
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solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3
color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Okay,
that is it! I asked because I want to know, I have served on
the board for several years prior and we were asked to prove darn near
everything we did, including surveys. So if you want to attack with a
C'mon Man so be it. From the views you expressed on RCU we know how you
stand on the main issue of weight, from the minutes of the meetings for this
year we know that you were able to select "volonteers" to complete your
committee, we know that the preamble was written in a way to present the board
as being for the proposed changes, so we know that some seem to have an
agenda. You asked for it so you got it. So it would appear that we
have no real verifiable way of supporting survey results one way or the other.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:1.0in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
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color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I
seldom post on this forum, since it usually just banter between old friends and
foes and full of insider jokes but these so called proposals are things that
should be discussed on this forum. They should have been discussed prior
to being placed in any type of survey. They affect our sport and I
believe your survey will show that they would effect it adversely. We
have been through all of this before, over and over on weight. It seems
like a resurecting ghost that we can't keep underground. </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The
fact that you seem so defensive of your baby also adds to my doubt about this
whole fiasco. Now, lay off the attacks and either answer the
questions or ingnore them, your choice Mr. Chairman.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> Scott McHarg <a
href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com"><scmcharg@gmail.com></a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion <a
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org"><nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org></a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Fri, February 17, 2012
9:34:22 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposals Survey<br>
</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
Dan,<br>
It was actually 16 times you voted including your original. I've
taken care of the extras for you. As far as factual, really? Do you
honestly think that way? They will be factual because we are here to
serve you. If the majority says they don't like something, what would be
the purpose of doing it? If we wanted to push our own agendas, why even
have a survey? C'mon Man!</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On
Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Dan Curtis <<a href="mailto:warrior523@att.net"
rel=nofollow>warrior523@att.net</a>> wrote:</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'>Well, lets hope that is true, I only voted about 15 times so not a
problem.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:1.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'>One other question, how will we know the results are
factual? </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
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size=3 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> Scott McHarg <<a
href="mailto:scmcharg@gmail.com" rel=nofollow>scmcharg@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion <<a
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Fri, February 17, 2012
9:25:53 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Proposals Survey</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Hi Dan,<br>
It just makes more work for me (which I'm sure Keith H. would
enjoy greatly as he seems to have his panties in a wad). We have several
filters in place so I'll just filter out the duplicate entries. We will
know who is trying to "pad the results". There were several folks
that were having trouble accessing the system so we had to remove the one time
per user. Either way, only the initial entry will be taken and if a bunch
go in just to screw it up for everyone, we'll just shut it down. You're
right, it makes it a bit useless when people do that.<br>
<br>
Have a good weekend,<br>
Scott</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'>On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Dan Curtis <<a
href="mailto:warrior523@att.net" rel=nofollow>warrior523@att.net</a>> wrote:</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'>Guys,</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:2.0in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:2.0in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'>When the survey was put up on the website I filled it out and
submitted my answers. Then I could not get back in to the survey.
Which I assume was to stop a person from voting more than once. Well, I
was on the website earlier tonight and for the heck of it I hit the survey link
and low and behold I was back in and was able to fill the survey out
again. If I hit submit, I get the results sumitted message. It
appears that a person can vote as many times as they see fit now. I had
another person or two try the same thing with the same results. Is this
feature okay or is it making the survey results a bit useless?</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
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mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:2.0in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
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size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:black'>It may still be only countng the first time you voted or submitted
but that is not the way it appears. Anybody got an answer???</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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