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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>I understand…no problem…..but in the instances you mention….you just can’t fix stupid….<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>But yet…..I have yet to see anyone have a discussion on properly setting the failsafe throttle of a glow powered airplane.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>This is kind of like some E-flyers that flew glow for years and years and wiped the oil off without a word, then when they convert to electric, wiping the oil off a glow plane is suddenly a big deal….and they kinda go on and on about it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Dave Harmon<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>NSRCA 586<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Sperry, Ok.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Keith Black<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 12, 2012 9:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming Switch<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Dave, I wasn't saying an arming pin is mandatory, I've had planes with and without (currently without for weight), though I much prefer with. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My point (for everyone's consumption not only you) was to be careful trusting the fail safe and the receiver power down behavior because occasionally speed controls do malfunction. They are definitely better now days, but far too often I see guys do things that open the door for disaster (I'm not saying you're doing this), and it's pretty scary. People just don't always appreciate the danger involved. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>For example, I've seen guys finish a flight, turn off their radio and walk to the pits, meanwhile the caller brings back plane and sets it down in pits while pilot walks around talking for minutes with this potentially live plane sitting there still armed. If everything works as it should no one will get hurt, but the potential is there for serious consequences. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Keith <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Dave Harmon <<a href="mailto:k6xyz@sbcglobal.net">k6xyz@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Hi Keith….</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Actually I DID take into account that there IS a possibility that the ESC could fail….but I feel the odds of that happening are as I said, a lot less than someone mishandling a transmitter.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>How about just plugging the battery in and putting the canopy on within the 3 minute starting period??</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>The airplane should not have to just sit there plugged in and ready to go like a fueled up glow powered airplane….</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>After landing someone picks up the model and turns off the radio switch….if the helper picks up the airplane and the ESC malfunctions he has ahold of it.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>I understand your and others concerns but I just don’t think the external plug thing is necessary. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>I just don’t see the need to have a battery in the plane unless it is manually restrained and going to be flown within the next 3 minutes.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>I don’t mean to imply that I plug in the battery without straddling the fuselage….I do!</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Dave Harmon</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>NSRCA 586</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Sperry, Ok.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Keith Black<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 12, 2012 4:29 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming Switch<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dave, you're points are correct, but you're not taking into account a malfunction of the speed controller itself. They have been know to malfunction, so the safest approach, as Earl suggests, is to assume that anytime the battery is connected to the controller the motor may go to full throttle. Until you unplug the battery the thing is hot and dangerous regardless of your fail safe or switches on the transmitter. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Regarding pulling the disconnect (whether under canopy or via external arming pin), step over the model between wings and stab (just like we used to run up the glow models) and reach down to pull the plug. If it goes full throttle the back of your legs will stop forward momentum.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I see far too often that people switch off their radios with the plane in a potential dangerous position. This is putting a lot of trust in the technology when it's not necessary. When I retrieve my model, transmitter in hand or not, I make sure it is pointed away from people or property.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Keith <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Dave Harmon <<a href="mailto:k6xyz@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">k6xyz@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>+1 on that.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Rather than having a disconnect, I think ensuring that the fail safe function of the radio is set properly is the way to go.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Generally…with today’s 2.4g radios…..not 72mhz PCM radios….I trust the electronics more than someone holding the transmitter. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Besides….with a disconnect it would be my luck to rip the side of the fuselage off and start a fire that way………or not being able to let go of a full throttle model to pull the disconnect….in this case just turn off the transmitter and/or have an external radio switch and turn off the receiver.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>The ESC will shut off the motor when the ESC loses the pulse from the receiver…even if the failsafe is NOT configured correctly.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Everyone already knows this….or should know it…. but it’s a good thing to mention anyway…..</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Dave Harmon</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>NSRCA 586</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'>Sperry, Ok.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Keith Hoard<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 12, 2012 1:44 PM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming Switch</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I'd rather not cut a hole in my plane in the first place, or add another point of failure to the system. . . .<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br clear=all><br>Keith Hoard<br>Collierville, TN<br><a href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com" target="_blank">khoard@gmail.com</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Ronald Van Putte <<a href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net" target="_blank">vanputte@cox.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>You can mount a female Deans connector in a piece of thin plywood, use Pacer Pro Zap to glue the Deans connector to the plywood and, after cutting an appropriate hole in the side of the fuselage, glue the assembly inside the fuselage. Use a male Deans connector with the leads soldered together as an arming plug.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Or you can buy a SharpRC SafeArm (<a href="http://www.sharprc.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=43" target="_blank">http://www.sharprc.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=43</a>)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Being cheap, I do the former.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Ron Van Putte<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Feb 12, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Ron Hansen wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>What are the available arming switch options?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Ron</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br><br>__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6877 (20120211) __________<br><br>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.<br><br><a href="http://www.eset.com" target="_blank">http://www.eset.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>