<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV>I heard there was interest in allowing electrics, but that option was dropped. Is that true? I would love SPA, but I have sworn off anything glow.</DIV>
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<DIV>Bob R.</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 2/2/12, Jim Quinn <I><jaqfly@prodigy.net></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Jim Quinn <jaqfly@prodigy.net><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Another discussion topic relatingtonewFAIrules<BR>To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>Date: Thursday, February 2, 2012, 6:21 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Classis Patern Association and the Vintage R/C Society both are currently flyng those patterns.</DIV>
<DIV>We even included one on an AMA sanctioned contest in CA this fall.</DIV>
<DIV>I've been flying in Rudder only (Junior Falcon and Charger) up to full house (Banshee and Kaos) for the past several years.<BR> </DIV>Jim Quinn
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> J N Hiller <jnhiller@earthlink.net><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thu, February 2, 2012 4:55:13 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Another discussion topic relatingtonewFAIrules<BR></FONT><BR>
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<P class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><SPAN class=yiv1692833949EmailStyle22><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Are some folks trying to revitalize the pre-turnaround pattern. Classic Pattern! I'm waiting, still have two OS VF's and can scratch build another Arrow. Can't make 105 db any more at my primary field but that’s OK the airplane flue better with a 12-9 or 10 anyway.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<P class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><SPAN class=yiv1692833949EmailStyle22><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Jim</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Del<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, February 02, 2012 12:51 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern discussion<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Another discussion topic relatingtonewFAIrules</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT color=blue size=3 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Your right Peter.. The beauty of that period of flying anyone with an Ugly stick or under powered kadet could enter and fly pattern. Attendance at meets was amazing at most parts of country. That style did get some heat as blamed for loss of fields from over flights of homes etc. but if the full truth were to be looked at all flying endeavors loud and noisy aircraft flying near and over homes was the bigger culprit. Pattern was at the forefront of addressing that and mandating a reasonable sound level at the nats especially but bonus points could be award for quiet aircraft and penalties for noisy planes. </SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT color=blue size=3 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><STRONG><B><FONT color=blue size=3 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The other big advantage was as recently petitioned people would come out and enjoy themselves flying after only practicing the weekend before if at all and do fairly well sometimes. The changes have hurt overall mass attendance but the quality of the flying by competitors has improved dramatically. Some like that tradeoff. Others not so much. Partially because of increased expenses to compete means they can't participate and still feel they made a reasonable showing. </SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A title=vogel.peter@gmail.com href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vogel.peter@gmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:vogel.peter@gmail.com">Peter Vogel</A> </SPAN></FONT></DIV><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT>
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<P style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><B><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Thursday, February 02, 2012 3:15 PM</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">OK. Looking at some of the old rule books, I'm confused. Take for example the novice sequence from 86-87: </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The procedure turn, stall turn, and Immelmann sure seem like turnarounds to me, granted to meet the mandatory directions relative to wind you would need to have a free turnaround between the straight flight back and the stall turn, and another free turnaround between the stall and the Immelmann, etc. So were all the "stunt" turns intended to be executed at show center with a free turnaround outside the box between each maneuver? </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I'm amazed at the amount of "heat" (aka: passion) there seems to have been in the K-factor around the change to turnaround schedules. I admit I like my 2 "free" turnarounds outside the box in Sportsman between maneuvers 6+7 and 11+12 but I could muddle through without them if I had to, and I honestly can't imagine flying such a disjoint sequence as the ones I'm seeing in the old rulebooks. Hardly feels like a "sequence".</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:43 AM, J N Hiller <<A href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jnhiller@earthlink.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">jnhiller@earthlink.net</A>> wrote:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>The sequences flown were published in the old rule books. Be aware that over the years some of the class names changed.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT>
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<P style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 44.55pt; BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> <A href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> [mailto:<A href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Peter
Vogel<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, January 31, 2012 11:23 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern discussion</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 44.55pt; BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><B><FONT color=black size=3 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT color=black face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: black"> NSRCA Discussion List<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Another discussion topic relating tonew FAIrules</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<P style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 80.55pt; BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 80.55pt; BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I was reading some of the archived K-factors and it got me curious, is there an archive of the sequences pre-turnaround?</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 80.55pt; BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Peter+<BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone4S</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 80.55pt; BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>On Jan 31, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Joe Lachowski <<A href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jlachow@hotmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:jlachow@hotmail.com">jlachow@hotmail.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<P style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 116.55pt; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">You can log on at the NSRCA website and then proceed to the judges section and click on archived documents. Thanks to Jim Hiller who provided me a lot of these, I was able to scan them in and put them into the PDF Format. Anyone who has anything older than whats up there, send a hard copy to me to scan and I'll have Derek put them up.<BR> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 116.55pt; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:45:38 -0800<BR>From: <A href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=derekkoopowitz@gmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com">derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</A><BR>To: <A href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Another discussion topic relating to new FAIrules<BR><BR>We have a pretty good collection of AMA and FAI rule books on the website if
anyone wants to see what rules were like, or how much they have changed over the years... </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 116.55pt; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 116.55pt; BORDER-TOP: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0.5in; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Jon Lowe <<A href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jonlowe@aol.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:jonlowe@aol.com">jonlowe@aol.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 152.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">It would appear that the FAI is going down the same road as IMAC, with IMAC's subjective "airspace control" factor. The smoothness and gracefulness 25% gives a judge a non-objective way to give a downgrade of 2 to 3 points. Since there is no scoring criteria for it that I could find, other than Michael Ramel's instructions to the judges at the WC, I'm not sure what we do with it. I would think that his instructions would have been protestable, if anyone had wanted to go down that path, since I'm unaware of any official FAI rule interpretation saying, for example, that constant speed is a part of smoothness and gracefulness. I'm sure he was just trying to give meaning to a poorly writen criteria.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR:
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 152.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Very sorry to see the FAI going this way.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 152.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Mark Atwood <<A href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=atwoodm@paragon-inc.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</A>><BR>To: General pattern discussion <<A href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>><BR>Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 9:49 am<BR>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Another discussion topic relating to new FAIrules</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 152.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Dave, the answer, by your own math, is that a geometrically perfect maneuver can't be beaten purely by other criteria. With geometry making up 50% of the score, no amount of smoothness can be valued MORE than precision. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 152.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 152.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I could also argue that a geometrically "perfect" maneuver would always have at least some level of gracefulness based on that perfect geometry. They're not completely independent. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 152.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 152.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Unfortunately S&G is completely subjective, and as analytical people, we're not too keen on subjectivity. But that's the nature of the sport. It's perceived precision, not measured. Vertical lines at the end of the box don't need to BE vertical, they need to LOOK vertical, etc. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 152.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 152.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">On Jan 31, 2012, at 10:37 AM, <A href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=DaveL322@comcast.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net">DaveL322@comcast.net</A> wrote:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 152.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR>There has never been guidance for s+g downgrades in AMA or FAI.....which is why I have always advocated s+g should be eliminated from the judging criteria. Of course if I am mistaken about the goal of pattern being precision aerobatics, then maybe s+g should be the only criteria.<BR><BR>I've never gotten an answer to this question. How can a geometrically perfect maneuver be outscored by a geometrically flawed maneuver? Of course with the new FAI scoring.....it would seem that geometrically perfect maneuver might only be scored a 5.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Dave<BR><BR>Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 152.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">----- Reply message -----<BR>From: "Ronald Van Putte" <<A href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputte@cox.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</A>><BR>Date: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 09:49<BR>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Another discussion topic relating to new FAIrules<BR>To: "General pattern discussion" <<A href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 152.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">After thinking about this further, I wonder how the change in ranking affects anything. Positioning has specific downgrades (2 point downgrade for each 1/4 of the maneuver off center). However, I am unaware of any specific downgrades for smoothness and gracefulness. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 152.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Ron Van Putte</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 188.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1.5in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><B><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From: </SPAN></FONT></B><FONT color=black size=4 face=Helvetica><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Ronald Van Putte <<A href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputte@cox.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</A>></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 188.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1.5in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><B><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Date: </SPAN></FONT></B><FONT color=black size=4 face=Helvetica><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">January 31, 2012 8:24:56 AM CST</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 188.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1.5in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><B><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: </SPAN></FONT></B><FONT color=black size=4 face=Helvetica><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">General pattern discussion <<A href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 188.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1.5in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><B><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: </SPAN></FONT></B><B><FONT color=black size=4 face=Helvetica><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Another discussion topic relating to new FAIrules</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 188.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1.5in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><B><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Reply-To: </SPAN></FONT></B><FONT color=black size=4 face=Helvetica><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">General pattern discussion <<A href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 188.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1.5in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">That's interesting. I know #2. and #3. were in reverse order before. I don't remember a rules change vote on this. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 188.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1.5in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Ron Van Putte</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 188.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1.5in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 188.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1.5in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">On Jan 31, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Bob Kane wrote:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 188.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1.5in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 224.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">FWIW, this is identical to to the ranking in the AMA Competition regulations:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 224.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">From the current AMA document (RCA-12):</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 224.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 224.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><B><FONT color=black size=2 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">1.</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Precision of the maneuver.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 224.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><B><FONT color=black size=2 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">2.</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Smoothness and gracefulness of the maneuver. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 224.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><B><FONT color=black size=2 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">3.</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Positioning or display of the maneuver.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 224.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><B><FONT color=black size=2 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">4. </SPAN></FONT></B><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Size or dimensions of the maneuver relative to the maneuvering area, distance from the judges, and other maneuvers in the flight. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 224.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 224.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The above criteria are listed in order of importance; however, all of them must be met for a maneuver to be rated perfect. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 224.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Bob Kane <A href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=getterflash@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com">getterflash@yahoo.com</A></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 44.55pt; BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">J N Hiller <<A href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jnhiller@earthlink.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">jnhiller@earthlink.net</A>><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> General pattern discussion <<A href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A>> <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, January 31, 2012 3:51 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Another discussion topic relating to new FAIrules</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 224.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 224.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I would have thought positioning rated a higher precision aerobatics. Smoothness and gracefulness is polish.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 224.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=navy size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Jim</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 260.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Tahoma><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> <A href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A> [<A href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org&" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</A>]<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B><A href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tocdon@netscape.net" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:tocdon@netscape.net">tocdon@netscape.net</A><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, January 30, 2012 6:06 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A href="http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</A><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [NSRCA-discussion] Another discussion topic relating to new FAIrules</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 260.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 260.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">This will keep the list going (and the discussions too). I recall Michael Ramel clearly discussing the future of the rules during the judges training at the World Championships at Muncie. This was relating to smoothness and gracefulness being directly related to constant speed. The following reflects what he discussed, as cited on page 35, and effect the way a score is awarded:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 260.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 260.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Geometry: 50%</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 260.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Smoothness and Gracefulness: 25%</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 260.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Position of maneuver: 12.5%</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 260.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Size of maneuver: 12.5%</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 260.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Proportion of the maneuver outside the (box) in addition to above.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 260.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 260.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The specific, objective criteria used to judge smoothness and gracefulness includes, "maintaining constant speed throughout various maneuver components, like climbing and decending sections..."</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 260.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=3 face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 260.55pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 2in" class=yiv1692833949MsoNormal><FONT color=black size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Also the sentence about radii being very loose or very tight, even if equal size within a maneuver, are grounds for downgrade of smoothness and gracefulness.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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