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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Not much different from today’s SPA.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Richards<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 02, 2012 3:35 PM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Another discussion topic relating tonew FAIrules<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Yep, all of those were flown centered, except the procedure turn. The center of radius for the stall turn and immelman were centered.<br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 2/2/12, Peter Vogel <i><vogel.peter@gmail.com></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>From: Peter Vogel <vogel.peter@gmail.com><br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Another discussion topic relating tonew FAIrules<br>To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>Date: Thursday, February 2, 2012, 3:15 PM<o:p></o:p></p><div id=yiv1543837091><p class=MsoNormal>OK. Looking at some of the old rule books, I'm confused. Take for example the novice sequence from 86-87: <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Takeoff<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Straight flight out (U)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Procedure turn<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Straight flight back (D)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Stall Turn (U)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Immelmann Turn (U)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>3 inside loops (U)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>One horizontal roll (D)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Landing<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The procedure turn, stall turn, and Immelmann sure seem like turnarounds to me, granted to meet the mandatory directions relative to wind you would need to have a free turnaround between the straight flight back and the stall turn, and another free turnaround between the stall and the Immelmann, etc. So were all the "stunt" turns intended to be executed at show center with a free turnaround outside the box between each maneuver? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'm amazed at the amount of "heat" (aka: passion) there seems to have been in the K-factor around the change to turnaround schedules. I admit I like my 2 "free" turnarounds outside the box in Sportsman between maneuvers 6+7 and 11+12 but I could muddle through without them if I had to, and I honestly can't imagine flying such a disjoint sequence as the ones I'm seeing in the old rulebooks. Hardly feels like a "sequence".<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Peter+<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>