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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“</span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I'm sure he was just trying to give meaning to a poorly writen criteria.”</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In part, I think that is correct. A major aspect of what Ramel was attempting to convey to the judges was that a maneuver schedule containing a variety of maneuvers might be best presented using a variety of styles, and IF the style change(s) were warranted by a specific maneuver(s) to preserve the technical aspects of that maneuver(s), there should be no style (s+g) downgrade. Simplest (fictional) example I can give would be a maneuver such as a downline with an 8 point roll (more correctly, 8 consecutive 1/8 rolls). To avoid meeting terra firma, the roll rates will be fast, and hesitations short (compared to roll rates and hesitations elsewhere in the flight), and there will be no s+g downgrade (for the style change).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So, in essence, IF a style change occurs, it can be downgraded under the auspices of s+g……unless the style change was necessitated by the specific maneuver (another judgment that must be made).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br>Dave<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jon Lowe<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 31, 2012 11:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Another discussion topic relating to new FAIrules<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>It would appear that the FAI is going down the same road as IMAC, with IMAC's subjective "airspace control" factor. The smoothness and gracefulness 25% gives a judge a non-objective way to give a downgrade of 2 to 3 points. Since there is no scoring criteria for it that I could find, other than Michael Ramel's instructions to the judges at the WC, I'm not sure what we do with it. I would think that his instructions would have been protestable, if anyone had wanted to go down that path, since I'm unaware of any official FAI rule interpretation saying, for example, that constant speed is a part of smoothness and gracefulness. I'm sure he was just trying to give meaning to a poorly writen criteria.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Very sorry to see the FAI going this way.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Jon</span></span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Mark Atwood <<a href="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>><br>To: General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 9:49 am<br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Another discussion topic relating to new FAIrules<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="AOLMsgPart_2_5b2c9b88-a408-42ee-84e0-ffe1626a667b"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Dave, the answer, by your own math, is that a geometrically perfect maneuver can't be beaten purely by other criteria. With geometry making up 50% of the score, no amount of smoothness can be valued MORE than precision. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I could also argue that a geometrically "perfect" maneuver would always have at least some level of gracefulness based on that perfect geometry. They're not completely independent. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Unfortunately S&G is completely subjective, and as analytical people, we're not too keen on subjectivity. But that's the nature of the sport. It's perceived precision, not measured. Vertical lines at the end of the box don't need to BE vertical, they need to LOOK vertical, etc. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>If we want purely objective scoring... look to racing. 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Of course if I am mistaken about the goal of pattern being precision aerobatics, then maybe s+g should be the only criteria.<br><br>I've never gotten an answer to this question. How can a geometrically perfect maneuver be outscored by a geometrically flawed maneuver? Of course with the new FAI scoring.....it would seem that geometrically perfect maneuver might only be scored a 5.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Dave<br><br>Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="htc_header"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>----- Reply message -----<br>From: "Ronald Van Putte" <<a href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</a>><br>Date: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 09:49<br>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Another discussion topic relating to new FAIrules<br>To: "General pattern discussion" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>After thinking about this further, I wonder how the change in ranking affects anything. Positioning has specific downgrades (2 point downgrade for each 1/4 of the maneuver off center). However, I am unaware of any specific downgrades for smoothness and gracefulness. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Ron Van Putte<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Begin forwarded message:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Ronald Van Putte <<a href="mailto:vanputte@cox.net">vanputte@cox.net</a>></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Date: </span></b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>January 31, 2012 8:24:56 AM CST</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>To: </span></b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Another discussion topic relating to new FAIrules</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Reply-To: </span></b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>That's interesting. I know #2. and #3. were in reverse order before. I don't remember a rules change vote on this. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Ron Van Putte<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On Jan 31, 2012, at 8:19 AM, Bob Kane wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>FWIW, this is identical to to the ranking in the AMA Competition regulations:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>From the current AMA document (RCA-12):<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>1.</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> Precision of the maneuver.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>2.</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> Smoothness and gracefulness of the maneuver. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>3.</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> Positioning or display of the maneuver.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>4. </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Size or dimensions of the maneuver relative to the maneuvering area, distance from the judges, and other maneuvers in the flight. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>The above criteria are listed in order of importance; however, all of them must be met for a maneuver to be rated perfect. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Bob Kane <a href="mailto:getterflash@yahoo.com">getterflash@yahoo.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> J N Hiller <<a href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net">jnhiller@earthlink.net</a>><br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 31, 2012 3:51 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Another discussion topic relating to new FAIrules</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv458482347><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv458482347emailstyle15><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>I would have thought positioning rated a higher precision aerobatics. Smoothness and gracefulness is polish.</span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv458482347emailstyle15><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Jim</span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=yiv458482347emailstyle15><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org?">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:tocdon@netscape.net">tocdon@netscape.net</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 30, 2012 6:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] Another discussion topic relating to new FAIrules</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>This will keep the list going (and the discussions too). I recall Michael Ramel clearly discussing the future of the rules during the judges training at the World Championships at Muncie. This was relating to smoothness and gracefulness being directly related to constant speed. The following reflects what he discussed, as cited on page 35, and effect the way a score is awarded:</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Geometry: 50%</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Smoothness and Gracefulness: 25%</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Position of maneuver: 12.5%</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Size of maneuver: 12.5%</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Proportion of the maneuver outside the (box) in addition to above.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>The specific, objective criteria used to judge smoothness and gracefulness includes, "maintaining constant speed throughout various maneuver components, like climbing and decending sections..."</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Also the sentence about radii being very loose or very tight, even if equal size within a maneuver, are grounds for downgrade of smoothness and gracefulness.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span 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